Abandoned player faction - what to do?
- Thread starter Dirtbird
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It can't be kicked out, but it can lose control - which has happened here.Is it me not understanding correctly........or MORE likely, not being at all interested in this BGS bollox..... but I always had in my head that a PMF couldn't lose it's Home System.
Oh right!......nevermind, back to Exploring
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Before expanding contact the relevant squad via Inara and/or discord asking if they still function as a PMF.
If you get no response in a week or two then send another message saying you are expanding.
Upon arrival it is up to you whether you then control that system.
I would add that approx 40-50% of PMFs are dead or dormant.
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If you get no response in a week or two then send another message saying you are expanding.
Upon arrival it is up to you whether you then control that system.
I would add that approx 40-50% of PMFs are dead or dormant.
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With the amount of dead PMFs ingame, any faction that does not own any assets, has no thread in the official forums nor a faction on Inara, a google search turns up no contact (or they don't respond to messages within a week or two) and that does not react to another faction expanding into the system is either abandoned or does not care about the BGS and just wanted their name ingame (some explorers did that, before squadrons were a thing)
if OP tried to contact the other faction, no answer received, and now much later returning players want their faction back, it is bad luck, OP can hand out gifts if they want but should not feel obliged to do so. If they went there even though there was communication with the PMF stating they have not abandonded it, then it would still be ok, but it is an agressive act (still, BGS is not bubblegum simulator, wars and hostile takeovers are part of it, at least for some, and have to be expected).
Player Minor Factions are supposed to have at least 10 people supporting them. FDev never really checked that, and it is (and always was) possible to have 1-CMDR-factions, but those have a bit of work in front of them to stay afloat.
if OP tried to contact the other faction, no answer received, and now much later returning players want their faction back, it is bad luck, OP can hand out gifts if they want but should not feel obliged to do so. If they went there even though there was communication with the PMF stating they have not abandonded it, then it would still be ok, but it is an agressive act (still, BGS is not bubblegum simulator, wars and hostile takeovers are part of it, at least for some, and have to be expected).
Player Minor Factions are supposed to have at least 10 people supporting them. FDev never really checked that, and it is (and always was) possible to have 1-CMDR-factions, but those have a bit of work in front of them to stay afloat.
2.8% of all the factions are still around...
Maybe try "PLContactPostal07OnInara"?
Also as a solo player.. when i build up the mojo to actually try bgs work, its a bit bewildering given how many minor factions are marked as player. I have idea where to go get in touch even, very likely id just go and adopt one without any idea or telling anyone and just start playing. I can imagine that would happen occasionally too.
This.
And PMFs are not special. You're not entitled to a system in perpetuety just because you filled out a form with FD.
In the US, it would be "PMF, General Delivery" at Inara.
Frontier would have to hire at least three programmers (three shifts a day) to clean out all the "dead" PMF's out of Stellar Forge.
This is why carriers are the way they are. Maybe if PMF's took 5 billion to create, and cost a billion a year before disappearing...
This is why carriers are the way they are. Maybe if PMF's took 5 billion to create, and cost a billion a year before disappearing...
Personally I'd give them a 12 month grace period after creation, after which they can be retreated from their home system and effectively removed. Undecided on whether I'd make it a requirement to retreat them from any other systems first.
this seems to be the only reasonable response in the entire thread.
I was being somewhat reserved , children may be up
All factions are NPC, just FDev allowed some to be named by players. A player named faction has no more rights than an FDev named one. You can't control either type of faction and only support them. Some players or groups lose sight of that fact and get super angry if you support an FDev named faction or attack their player named one. Some FDev named factions have more thought, lore, and work behind them than any player named one. Why should player named ones be special? Do you check if any non-player named faction has supporters in the system you start working in an/or try to take over? The only difference is that with a player named faction you have a higher chance of opposition, but even that is not a given.
This was not directed at you, just a general rant about people thinking because they were allowed to name a faction they have more rights than players who adopted an FDev named faction.
Well, PMFs do have one right that non-PMFs don't have and cannot claim: the right to protection from insertion of a new PMF. If a PMF is present in the system (note: it's not just the home systems, but any system where any PMF is present), new PMFs are disqualified from being inserted there. With more and more PMFs being added each month and a large number of already-existing PMFs expanding and gobbling up stars like kids eating french fries, the galaxy is rapidly running out of free real estate.
I have a 25 ly-radius sphere of BGS interest; about 50 factions I actively support to keep in power. I went out exploring for six months, came back and three PMFs had been inserted into "my space", with two small but expansionist groups also encroaching from outside. If I'd been a single, monolithic PMF, I wouldn't have had this problem, because as far as FD (and people who are looking for "unclaimed space" to plant their PMF) are concerned, my sphere is unclaimed, with no player groups supporting anything. Two of the three PMFs appear to be stilllborn, as no-one seems to have done anything to push them up while I was gone. The third had not only seized control of their home system but also expanded into another system, before it too seemed to have stalled (I guess the novelty wore off after expanding once). Fortunately, that third group is of a superpower alignment I support, so I'm happy to continue propping them up myself in their home system, but since Rule 2 of my over-arching philosophy is "support home rule, kick all invaders out", I won't be supporting their expansion efforts.
I had been pushing superpower-aligned factions, at least partly in the hope that FD wouldn't insert Indie PMFs into my sphere (which should also have the added benefit of largely preventing PMF insertion as 80% of PMFs are Indie), but alas, FD have inserted two Indies anyhow.
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You fight for it. Surely that's the whole point of the BGS. This person will supply you with gameplay and a better reason to do the gameplay in the game.
The have no more of a claim on it then anyone else.