There is really that reason to not like ganking that it really detoriates other aspects of game. For all non-gankers pvp'ers and pve'rs.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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Well it's actions & consequences
Just gotta get on with it & deal with the consequences. I don't go to Deciat very often, and if I do I'll probably go in solo because I'm not looking for combat (usually). But if I want it I know where to find it.
The smart pirate doesn't pull over a Cutter unless they operate in a wing
They also rely on inexperienced pilots in paper builds, to some extent at least, to be fair - although I took the "sustainable piracy" approach - due to the ships I flew I'd only ever ask for a handful of tons of cargo, which most victims would still decline in their overwhelming greed, and then give me grief over comms because that harmless little ship dropped their shields and disabled their drives
Edit - on the topic of RPing piracy though, I did give that a go; typing a simple "do not run, I will shoot otherwise - please hand over 10t of LTDs" gave the T9 I pulled over enough time to low wake. The only time where some RP warning is still feasible is within asteroid belts, but that's pretty much dead since Borann et al is no more.
Yeah pretty much. I've posted this one before in these discussions, but this was back in Borann.
I mean, it's simple enough and 5t is nothing, right?
I ended up getting more than my 5t. I hatchbroke. He ran. I shot his drives. I hatchbroke again. I scooped up what he dropped. The cops arrived. Another miner in a cutter decided to whiteknight while I was scooping. I dropped him down to one ring. He ran off. I kept scooping. He came back. I shot him some more. Decided to leave 'cause the cops were finally around in enough numbers to bother me. Left.
Once I ditched the loot I came back looking for the second cutter guy with the full intent of sending him to the rebuy screen on general principle but he wasn't anywhere to be seen. Oh well.
I would have given you your 5t
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I took my iCourier (YES - the same one I keep blabbing on about) and fitted it with a refinery. Decided to secretly scoop LTD fragments from a T9 mining away in the Borann hotspot. Did that for about 10-20 minutes - it works, but it's reaaaaallllyy sloooooow - until he copped on, turned around and fired at me (with his mining lasers...). I then returned the gesture, and brought his hull down to 40% rather quickly, then stopped (I'm not a monster and killing traders is bad for business).
He was a bit upset and asked why I did what I did - so I told him, and he asked why didn't I just ask (the answer is in the quote above). Ended up bailing because the space cops arrived but we parted with a o7 as he was grateful that I didn't destroy him. Hope though he took my advice and RTB'd instead of continuing to mine there, with his gimped ship.
This, really. I wouldn't hold up any defined section of the player community as angelic, but the PvP section have a particular unfortunate characteristic: wanting to control others' play. To pick a less emotive example:-
If I was in a PvP tournament and it was agreed that no-one would use SCBs, and I popped an SCB, I'd be cheating.
But if I get randomly interdicted and I pop an SCB, I won't take any notice of anyone who tells me it was cheating.
The same goes for other actions such as flying backwards, stacking SBs, engineering, high-waking, flying an Anaconda and... logging out. If I've agreed not to do it, I'm cheating; otherwise it's a thing the game permits by design.
Use AutoHotKey and you can insta a recorded message.
Not yet, but it sounds more fun than an SRV, for sure.
Can you still cargo scoop the shards if they land on the ground?
Always hitting me with those drag munitions, maaaan
I feel like Mr Braben gets more than his pound of flesh from me, as well as my eternal soul, every time I have to go farm at the crystal shard sites. Or do any of the other many tedious tasks required for engineering.
In my darker moments, I feel like the grief flows primarily from these game mechanics. They are the Faustian bargain we must all make in order to enjoy the dubious merits of incredibly imbalanced, overpowered equipment. Which, if you don't have, can put you at a very significant disadvantage. Which means it feels pretty non-optional, and therefore not properly Faustian at all.
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Sure, but that still doesn't guarantee the target to respond/comply.
Either way, I've given up on PvP piracy for obvious reasons, plus it was more of a proof of concept thing for me. Fun while it lasted though.
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You can, but it's more fun to scoop em whilst they're still in the air.
FA off, ofc.
I’m currently at the shards site doing engineering for new pvp builds I’ll probably never use. The piracy python is now used for BGS, the phantom for power play undermining .. how sad can it get (just remembered VR in odyssey)
With that said - I am 100% invested in supporting the "Corvette Revenge Fantasy" and even moreso the legend of the "2000 Anacondas."
Please, send more big ships. They are delicious.
Gotta have macros for that. I picked up VoiceAttack plus the Celeste HCS voice pack and have been really enjoying them both.
Honestly - I think we can all agree there should be improvements around this.
Engineering introduced severely imbalanced power levels. Open pushes PVE and PVP players together. Lack of any sort of meaningful C&P makes committing murder for any reason or no reason mostly trivial. BGS and PowerPlay competition can be done as efficiently from Solo/PG as from Open, and arguably moreso (even if "lame" to do it that way). The list goes on.
Gankers, being the villains, come up for blame frequently, but the problems around the lack of meaningful PVP in this game - i.e. "PVP with a reason" - do not really originate with the gankers per se, or in isolation, anyways.
Solutions, of course, have to be weighed with impacts to Solo and PG players and not just gankers / PVPers in Open. Because as we've seen in this thread, many times the players with the biggest bounties are in fact hardcore PVEers doing BGS and PP stuff... not gankers. So overhauls to C&P would affect them as much and possibly more than gankers.
Lots of variables to consider and it seems like - if by virtue of inaction alone - FDev have decided this "compromise solution" that makes everyone a bit unhappy is the best they care to do for now. That's what it appears to me, anyways, and I understand opinions differ, of course.
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Glad you enjoy it but I personally feel uncomfortable talking to my PC, have Cortana switched off for similar reasons (privacy issues aside). As for macros, never really felt the need for it in the last 5 years, and talking with other players in game has dropped off a cliff since the FC update. And most gankers don't talk anyways other than the odd smack perhaps
That's really a shame, honestly. I've only joined in mid-June of this year, after the FC update, so this is "the only life I've ever known."
I find System chat is still pretty active in certain places - like mining systems, or other heavily trafficked places. Cow and I roleplay it up with a variety of acts intended to be humorous - talking about making sure the rebuys flow, Colonia Jesus being a prophet, etc - that both advertise our presence in-system as well as give us something to do while waiting for our next "emergent content experience." I also wind up spending quite a lot of time parked in supercruise sending miniature walls of text to the players who do accept my friend requests and respond affirmatively to my inquiry if they'd like any gank evasion tips.
So I'd guess I'd say it's relatively chatty for me, but that's probably because I type a lot. I mostly try to avoid smack talking, as well, though of course that's just me and some other gankers may behave very differently.
Well PP it is kind of easy, what happens in PP stays in PP, PP bounties are not general bounties. BGS stuff, well if you run your npc slayfest in high sec while soloing, you should still accept consequences. How ever harsh. Make sec ratings meaningfull even for our poor NPC pilots