In fact I am somewhat irritated by those who post stuff saying PF being some super powerfull entity and we as PF members way over common (NPC) proles. It simply does not fit to existing Elite lore. PF is just kind of pilots guild, it has some influence, but on big picture quite little.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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Is this in Deciat, or elsewhere? I used to live in Jameson Memorial for years, and chat used to be quite lively (both system and local), albeit with a fair amount of smack talk which I stayed out of as I don't find it very pleasant personally - but entertaining nonetheless.
But even in Deciat I sometimes drop by, and while there is traffic, it's not huge - 2-3 ships docked at Farseer, maybe a couple shady characters about, but the place (and more so ShinDez) used to be heaving with players; while running missions out of Jameson's in my PvE builds the return leg was always quite exciting as I usually faced at least 4-6 hostile ships in SC.
As for mining systems, maybe I'm not up to date on those - haven't been to the ice box since the patch (and even prior to that traffic in Open dropped, presumably many miners switched to Solo), what was still buzzing were the Tritium selling systems, but there the same thing - no people in SC, 1-2 ships if any docked at the station. Places like Asterope, Taygeta, Maia, etc. which are popular with Xeno nerds and full of FCs - radio silence. Same goes for engineer sites (apart from Deciat). I'm playing CET evenings usually so can't be the timezone either.
Not that I mind the system chat silence per se - I often had to hide it in Borann/New Borann due to downright offensive garbage being spouted by various players. I do sometimes miss the social interaction though in-game, and I partly blame (my beloved) FC for that. CGs/IIs are desperately needed back to focus players in the same spot or group of systems at least.
I'm sorry but seal clubbing doesn't happen anymore since the beginner systems have been locked off. The pve community just keeps raising the bar and it's ridiculous. If you're in open and aren't in the beginner systems, you're fair game and no longer a baby seal.
This is also a poor excuse because it is easy to learn how to escape a gank and two modes that allow you to play without gankers.
There is no excuse to log out of the game to avoid death, whether you're pulling the plug or waiting for the countdown. I've worked hard to put together a group to teach people how to play the game properly and anyone who supports logging is just undermining everything I'm trying to do.
Here's 3 videos that show how easy it is to survive a gank, which any player can do.
Source: https://youtu.be/cEXUUUoBKQc
Source: https://youtu.be/Uh9AWV_BWo0
Source: https://youtu.be/pDvTbhJL8b8
This last video is of D'Anquememe easily surviving a gank from me in a fully engineered PvP ship, using an unengineered Cobra III
Source: https://youtu.be/Uh9AWV_BWo0
Source: https://youtu.be/pDvTbhJL8b8
This last video is of D'Anquememe easily surviving a gank from me in a fully engineered PvP ship, using an unengineered Cobra III
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It’s far more subtle than that. By creating the beginner crèche, FD have effectively killed off newbie ganking.
In my view, anything an NPC may do, a Player may do as well. I’ve been interdicted by many an NPC who has shot with no questions asked.
I think we would all be pretty peeved if a mission target disappeared because the NPC “menu logged”
In my previous posting I said that ED was a game of choices - and that it is. But for me, there are more than enough choices in game to survive without having to resort to any sort of logging as a choice.
If anything it’s a lazy choice, it ruins the immersion and the player logging won’t be getting the full experience that ED can offer.
ED is one of those games where you get out what you put in...
Actually, you know what? Having thought about it, given that FD have nerfed seal clubbing, I’m not sure that it’s valid to describe these PvP encounters as ganking anymore.
Ganking requires a very experienced player purposely seeking out a newbie and repeatedly killing them. The OP doesn’t describe this as his aim at all....
Ganking requires a very experienced player purposely seeking out a newbie and repeatedly killing them. The OP doesn’t describe this as his aim at all....
Taking chunks of these options away would only serve to lessen the ED experience for me
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What would be great in my view would be if the AI would be a bit more unpredictable and pack more of a punch (other than just being bullet sponges - and maybe carry the occasional experimental effect on a weapon just to throw you off) - in the beginning when you fly your E-rated Sidey you do still get that sense of "oooh I'm not messing with that Expert Cobra!" but it would be good if the game would bridge the gap between NPC & PvP combat at least a little bit better; as it is now, the gulf is way too large and for a new player who gets attacked by a player in an engineered combat ship doesn't know what's hitting them - I can still remember my first encounter, it was quite an eye opener... and was over so quick there was really no lesson to be learned there apart from "what is this even possible - yes it is".
Then new players might be a bit more prepared for what's to be expected down the road, because realistically unless those noobs fly directly to the busy systems (Deciat aside) it's unlikely they'll run into hostile players willy nilly. I've reset my alt account twice already, always flying in Open, and at times a whole week could pass without seeing any hollow squares.
Then new players might be a bit more prepared for what's to be expected down the road, because realistically unless those noobs fly directly to the busy systems (Deciat aside) it's unlikely they'll run into hostile players willy nilly. I've reset my alt account twice already, always flying in Open, and at times a whole week could pass without seeing any hollow squares.
I’m not.
I’m suggesting that FD have shown their hand by what they consider to be a fix for ganking.
It may seem like a short period, but exactly how much hand holding should new players get? It’s a game. It requires learning and skill acquisition. If you have a game with a mix of experienced and inexperienced players then you have to expect play styles of all kinds.
That’s the two sides of the coin - lots of freedom in an unrestricted universe and no guided story led play means players will experiment, do things they enjoy and make their own way. Not all players will play in a way that every other player likes. That’s just the way it is. It makes the universe diverse and rich, as well as making it frustrating at times as well.
No, that's harassment. The term Ganking has devolved into many meanings, depending on situational context. I'd say ganking is more like: Purposefully using an advantage to defeat another player character (no one has ever ganked an NPC). The advantage can be something as intended as a combat ship popping a trade vessal, to an attack on an already engaged target (the initial definition of the term in my experience), all the way up to using a cheat. Ganking has nothing to do with frequency of an attack, nor the experience level of the victim.
That’s the very definition of piracy. Using an unfair advantage. Hiding weaponry. Only picking weaker targets. Back in the 17th century some pirates attacked weaker vessels for the thrill of the kill - not for the loot. Sometimes they did it for experience and practise.
There's no down sides to the starter systems, as mentioned new players often find themselves out of it accidentally in any case, and it stops starter systems being a complete turnoff for new players due to instant ganking.
There's no down side.
Yes. I do have mixed feelings. That’s probably why I had a couple of years off.
Coming back though, I’m reminded of just how rewarding it can be. I’m primarily an explorer. I love pushing the boundaries. I’m 20k ly out from the bubble and just as likely to die by a crap landing on a high G planet as by a PvP in the bubble.
That’s not to say I don’t enjoy the bubble because I do.
However, I do agree with your point on crime and punishment. Personally I think FD missed a trick to make the universe even more realistic. Want to hunt out players for PvP? Got really big bounties and finally get caught out? Your assets are stripped and you end up on release day in a sidey in a far off detention centre. Want to get your ship back? Go to a known pirate base, do some dirty deals and get your stuff back - but perhaps it’s a deal with the devil and there are consequences to that set of choices..
I don’t think it would be.
If real life was a game, imagine the salt the devs would be getting right now for their botched 2020 content release......
I should probably put together a fighty clipper sometime. I only have a miney clipper.Real men fly Clippers anyway
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I recently bought a Clipper too. Even got a Graphite PJ for it to make it look all menacing and intimidating. It's quite squishy actually as I haven't engineered it much, yet. But I like the handling, and the cockpit is quite homely.
What the starter systems did was scatter the newbies out a bit. A lot of players are creatures of habit - when I played FE2, I pretty much went to Barnard's Star then sold my guns for extra cargo space and bounced back and forth between there and Sol until I had at least an adder. Hell, when I started out in Asellus Primus, I was getting a bit "uh, am I getting too far from my base" when I took a chain of missions from one station to the next since I didn't want to lose my bearings. It took the people who'd convinced me to play the game in the first place telling me "yo, we're in Cubeo, can you afford an adder yet, strap a scoop on it and get out here" to shake me out of that habit.
Some players take a long time to move away from their starter system. Even looking at traffic figures tells you that.
With the PF district, the newbies got kicked out the door and couldn't go back to their home, and the systems they get kicked to scattered them across a wide enough area that it was difficult for any prospective sealclubbers to find them.
They could have achieved largely the same result by just picking a whole bunch of stations to serve as starting positions and starting people at one of them at random, or outright let people pick any station with a shipyard. Robert's yer mother's brother, newbies be scattered across the bubble and sealclubbing suddenly becomes wildly impractical because finding a seal to club is like looking for a very small, moving needle in a very, very, very large haystack.
I have a confession to make: reading the ridiculous, sometimes offensive, and often outright gross / needlessly sexual conversation I saw in System chat while mining was one of the things that turned me to ganking.
The CMDRs making these comments were all in Solo or PG and I'm sure they thought it was "just banter" but it was enough to make me really reconsider who I thought the "bad guys" were among the playerbase.
Maybe this was my own version of "space madness," but jokes aside, I have to own that it was a galvanizing factor contributing to my decision to go to the Dark Side.
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Interesting! I was prepared to do exactly that also, even built a couple of ships for it, until I also realised I would never find them in Open. Had to temporarily block some as their chat was deeply unpleasant. And I'm a goodie two shoes in the game normally (mostly... Trying to break bad but old dogs etc.).
Actually spent more time looking for them in Borann than mining myself ha.
As much as I support everything that Sir Ganksalot does, and I do not encourage menu logging, it is as Frillop says here a "legal" tactic, meaning that menu logging will not result in ban. (Task killing absolutely will, and it's quite easy to tell the two apart - they present differently to the attacker).
It's another one of those mechanics, like toothless C&P and the meaninglessness of "high security" and the like, that results in some unfortunate responses and behaviors within the playerbase. We've gone over them already so i won't repeat the discussion here.
To me, personally, it doesn't make any sense to play in Open but then menu log when getting interdicted. It also doesn't make sense to me to play in Open and put people on your block list even if you've never encountered them in-game, just because you know they are a ganker.
However, both of these things are fully within the rules, the ones I have agreed to that in the same way that I fully expect a player in Open agrees to being engaged by me. Since that is also fully within the rules.
Where there's so much acrimony is, to me, when people either don't understand the rules, or refuse to accept them in the terms expressed by the "rulebook", aka the game and FDev.
Please note, agreeing on what the rules are, is completely different than saying someone is being a jerk or similar. Unfortunately, that discussion inevitably gets mixed in with the rules discussion, leading to more dispute.
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