Call to Arms for a Free Colonia

theGunner76

theGunner76
LeKeno said:
And somehow this only applies to your side?
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Well, frankly yes. You guys dont seem to hit anything.

LeKeno said:
That sounds a bit grandiloquent.
As if your side would not gleefully gloat about a victory.
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Finaly an accusation we are guilty of. Yes, we did yes. Twice these last weeks, remember? Heavily outnumbered aswell. It was fun, you should have been there.

Not sure what you all make of this, but if its true that you dont allow people to have criminal accounts in a game which has it as an option, you truly are just a bunch of fascist and I really really hope the ED community does what ever it takes to stop you.
 

Tharrn

Tharrn
Dillon Fallon said:
Although to be fair here, no-one here is a 'good' guy. We have lawfuls and outlaws. Helping prop up a slave economy dictatorship is certainly not a good thing in the game by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, we shouldn't expect an answer about what their plan is next. How can they do that if they don't know what we're going to do?
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Well, I thought we know the plan: take Carcosa, if need be with any dirty trick in the BGS-book Jane Turner knows about. 'Tis a bit sad but that is how the ball rolls when you are about "winning".

Wildly speculating they can then proclaim victory and that Colonia has been cleansed, SPEAR moves on. SECD does all the BGS work holding on to the system, Kancro strokes his bald cat and feels like the mastermind puppetmaster. The actual "winner" is SECD. Maybe. Or maybe they'll suddenly have their hands full managing their little kingdom. Lots of spreadsheets to fill!
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Tharrn said:
Well, I thought we know the plan: take Carcosa, if need be with any dirty trick in the BGS-book Jane Turner knows about. 'Tis a bit sad but that is how the ball rolls when you are about "winning".

Wildly speculating they can then proclaim victory and that Colonia has been cleansed, SPEAR moves on. SECD does all the BGS work holding on to the system, Kancro strokes his bald cat and feels like the mastermind puppetmaster. The actual "winner" is SECD. Maybe. Or maybe they'll suddenly have their hands full managing their little kingdom. Lots of spreadsheets to fill!
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Ratkatcher comments:

Just a minor correction or two...

SPEAR have stated that their prescence in Colonia is now permanent so don't expect them to go away any time soon - although, as a PvP-centric organisation this stay may mean that their focus has to be changed to BGS-centric, which I am certain they will approach with the same enthusiasm as their previous role.

Give Jane Turner the recognition she deserves, her BGS planning was superb and everything required was set out on a simplified spreadsheet to prevent an misunderstanding of her orders. We should not question why a leader of a Communist faction would wish to assist a Dictatorship in forwarding their cause, despite the philosophies being in complete opposition.

Yes, you are correct, SECD will be the 'chosen' faction to 'rule' Carcosa, they have superior numbers and a desire to build their 'City of God' not only in the bubble but in Colonia also. You are correct in your observation of potential difficulties in managing their holding long-term, but in the short-term acquisition of territory is their only concern.

I have no personal knowledge of Kancro so have no valid input to your summation.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
These forums are not a place to air out your dirty laundry. There have been multiple times over multiple threads that you have been warned not to bring personal disputes onto this forum, not to witch hunt users, not to disclose personal information, and above all to discuss the post and not the poster.

Consider this the only reminder you will get in this thread.
 

Vetinari

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(Everyones gone outside to get some fresh air and an ice-cream so time to catch up...the story so far...and its turning into a saga)

Carcosa is in or nearly at war again, possibly with a different faction, but now LR are suggesting that another pmf (Civitas Dei) is the real 'pretender' to the throne supported by SPEAR et al. This is slightly different from 'wiping out' LR (as wiped out as BGS allows) so LR may be more 'in the way' than 'the target'.

LR are adamant SPEAR have been misled to bring them to Colonia. SPEAR are adamant that they know why they are doing what they are doing and arent being misled. I dont think anybody but SPEAR know exactly why they are here, or what prompted them to come, or even if anybody did request it as such. Without knowing exactly what the objective is nobody can say.

Some of LR have said that this conflict is 8-10 months old, with significant evidence (not sure what counts as proof in BGS terms) that they have been under fire for at least 8. Might imply that local groups were perfectly happy with progress and didn't 'call anyone in'? Migh t be local groups werent doing as well as hoped?

No clear victory terms have been set (I dont think) by either side - perfectly acceptable in RP so what does peace look like is not known?

SPEAR launched a well timed grenade with DW2 (Distant Worlds 2) & DG2 (Distant Ganks 2) but seemed to fall into a bear pit just before throwing while still carrying the grenade. To mix metaphors, some people were on the pitch, they thought it was all over (me included, I didnt see a way back from that one) and then...the response, the evidence came from an app that recorded all kills whether ganker v explo or explo defence v ganker and may have been added as a misinformation attempt to portray defence as attack, attempting to falsify history. Out of bear pit grenade launched.

Grenade hasn't landed yet. LR deny knowledge of DG2 and say not on list. Explorers Nation (EN) or some of them may have been on DW2.

LR have been 'accused' of a massacre of innocents or civilians not clear whether Cmdr or NPC. Whether this means on DW2 or when The Nameless (TN), this time with the pmf LR, took / took back Carcosa in the first place is not clear. Or even whether it means a third? This may be propaganda (well its all propaganda but you know what I mean)

Third massacre? - I think LR were classed as terrorists by some groups and pmfs before leaving the bubble for supporting Salome and some incident with a politicians personal Fleet Carrier. No idea if thats related but may as well throw it in. Every group has a history unless all members and management change. How responsible newer members are for past actions may depend on the current group makeup or declared intent of group or how long the memory is for those on the other side. Justice or a grudge?

So LR representation that they are a peaceful group may prompt the question, how long for? Since coming to Colonia? After getting control of certain systems? What about the people who were moved aside or removed to get TN in? If this has been going on for 8 months+, is it possible its been going on a lot longer than that but maybe a cold war at first or a 'phony' war? Did LR step on anybody's toes?

Confusion is surely an acceptable tactic in RP and SPEAR certainly keep everyone guessing, but hope they answer one day, what was the objective? How long / deep does this conflict go? What happened on DW2 /DG2 or as a result of them, is that connected? What does peace look like? Guilty by association is fine but how far back? Who's toes did LR / TN step on and when?

And who if anybody speaks for CD & EN? Silence is a tactic too and arguably the best if not got a great story to tell. But we want a great story :) Whats the doctrine of this religion? What do they believe in? What are they going to do with the Shipyard? Are you going to make a Goner fleet to spread your message? (sorry wrong game)

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Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Vetinari said:
If this has been going on for 8 months+, is it possible its been going on a lot longer than that
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It's convenient to consider the start of this current conflict (the Fifth Regional Conflict) as being around the start of February 3306 or thereabouts, with a significant escalation in intensity during July as both SECD and LRCV called in allies from outside the region at the start of the month, and SPEAR's carriers arrived in the region at the end of it.

But you could also if you wanted just consider it an extension of the Third Regional Conflict, which started around April 3305 and ended - or at least fizzled out - in early 3306. On the one hand, it's clearly not the same conflict - the "traditionalist" side responsible for the majority of actual system-control conflicts and attempts in the 3rd is entirely absent from the 5th; on the other hand many of the actions that set up the start of the conflict took place during the Third Regional Conflict - not least, the taking of three systems by Anarchy factions. So you can't necessarily understand the political situation at the start of the 5th, and the sparks that ignited it, without understanding the actions by various parties - including Loren's Reapers and other pro-Anarchist groups - during the 3rd.

And you could if you want go back further to that to October 3303, when the Nameless made a military coup attempt directly against the Colonia Council and Colonia system itself, and the subsequent work done by Explorers' Nation to contain them firmly in Carcosa.

Or you could even go back further than that, to the signing by certain 1st-wave CEI parties of the Jaques Accords in spring 3303, the general agreement of other 1st-wave CEI parties with some (though crucially not all) of the principles therein, and the resulting collapse of the original CCN, if you're looking for causes. And to understand that, you perhaps have to understand something about who the founders of the original CCN were, why they did it that way, and why it went so badly wrong.

But there are good reasons to say "about eight months", nevertheless, for the actual conflict.

(Obviously the earliest two of those long predate the arrival of Loren's Reapers in Colonia. But they said when they arrived that they wanted to shake up the status quo, so understanding how they've done that and why various groups have responded as they have perhaps requires understanding how that status quo came to be in the first place)
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Vetinari said:
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I am terribly sorry - I seem to be rubbing off on you 😹

That was a brilliant synopsys, thanks for putting it together and making me chuckle!

The 3rd battle for Carcosa commenced today - and yes, the opposing faction this time is SECD rather than EN.
 

Tharrn

Tharrn
Ian Doncaster said:
Or you could even go back further than that, to the signing by certain 1st-wave CEI parties of the Jaques Accords in spring 3303, the general agreement of other 1st-wave CEI parties with some (though crucially not all) of the principles therein, and the resulting collapse of the original CCN, if you're looking for causes. And to understand that, you perhaps have to understand something about who the founders of the original CCN were, why they did it that way, and why it went so badly wrong.
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Don't get me going about the Jaques Accord, also called the "stagnat cesspool phase" of an exclusive club forcing it's boring vision of Colonia down the throats of the independent original settlers. I wish some people had never set foot into the area.
 

Jellicoe

Jellicoe
Tharrn said:
Don't get me going about the Jaques Accord, also called the "stagnat cesspool phase" of an exclusive club forcing it's boring vision of Colonia down the throats of the independent original settlers. I wish some people had never set foot into the area.
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As we're seeing, that is exactly what our enemies want - no freedom, no individuality just a grey, boring expanse of sameness and conformity.
 
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