Call to Arms for a Free Colonia

[fishevi]

I don't know if I would go that far. Granted, in the Nebula, I could count the number of CMDRs I encounter in Open each week on one or two hands. But e.g. the old DW02 squadron still has iirc somewhere in the 800s members on paper, and their PSN community is quite active. If I could wager a guess I'd say the same goes for several other squads in the bubble.

Of course, If you go by player count x determination x pure awesomeness it's a wholly different equation...

Yes, true, but we have official enemies, so I want to see those cmdrs. I have no plans to gank any cmdr, but any affiliated with them will get attacked even in shieldless traders.
So if our enemy ps4 cmdrs are in Bubble, we need to pay them a visit, and take a tour of their BGS, off course.

Because they didn't show courtesy to visit us here, in Nebula, which I found rude.
But we are not like that. We are not rude. We will pay them a visit, it is only 22000 ly away, right?!

Although, while we write here, there's a young unknown cmdr in the Bubble getting ready to fight the cause, with only one ship and one purpose

This is only a general concensus of ps4 wing of Loren's Reapers.
Off course we'll be still present in Nebula and have our fun, but you will see us in Bubble also

 

[Nikephorus Phocas]

Looks like Akuma scored a bit of an own goal there.

Bar so low even he could limbo under it. Priceless.

Personally I see the Axis is nothing less than IOI from Ready Player One. Liberating Carcosa will be that much more enjoyable

 

[Rat Catcher]

Another busy day of moving assets and refugees out of a soon-to-be gulag.

You are doing sterling work, my friend... Keep it up

 

[Vetinari]

Nameless will get locked out of control if and when EN and Civitas Dei take all three stations.

I might be mixing up 2 threads here but I recently learned that the faction with most stations or ground bases doesnt necessarily mean they are in Control? So how does Control work, I thought they gained Control by Influence which led to winning a station and so on, but apparently this isnt the only route? How do they get control in the first place without taking the stations, doesnt the Influence stop / level off?

And yesterday, I havent looked today, Inara showed all 3 were still in LR control, so havent they kept them and will keep them? What triggers the battle (again?) for that station if the attacking faction already has Control of the system?

 

[Rat Catcher]

I might be mixing up 2 threads here but I recently learned that the faction with most stations or ground bases doesnt necessarily mean they are in Control? So how does Control work, I thought they gained Control by Influence which led to winning a station and so on, but apparently this isnt the only route? How do they get control in the first place without taking the stations, doesnt the Influence stop / level off?

And yesterday, I havent looked today, Inara showed all 3 were still in LR control, so havent they kept them and will keep them? What triggers the battle (again?) for that station if the attacking faction already has Control of the system?

In the case of Carcosa, each of the assets have to be won, singly - so 3 'wars' will be needed to control all assets. Winning the confilct for Robardin Rock gains control of the system, but not of all 3 assets, so at the time of takeover 2 assets remain not in the hands of the controlling faction.

ETA: which is exactly the situation when Loren's Leigon took control of Robardin Rock - there were 2 further wars to gain control of Amber Dock and Aragon Silo. Aragon Silo being the last to fall almost a year ago.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I might be mixing up 2 threads here but I recently learned that the faction with most stations or ground bases doesnt necessarily mean they are in Control? So how does Control work, I thought they gained Control by Influence which led to winning a station and so on, but apparently this isnt the only route? How do they get control in the first place without taking the stations, doesnt the Influence stop / level off?

And yesterday, I havent looked today, Inara showed all 3 were still in LR control, so havent they kept them and will keep them? What triggers the battle (again?) for that station if the attacking faction already has Control of the system?

The war is currently 3-0, so the earliest there could be a transfer is tomorrow morning at 4-0 (or not, if it goes 3-1)

Control of a system is determined by who controls the system's primary station (in this case, Robardin Rock). So SECD are currently one won day off taking that station from the Nameless and gaining system control. If they do, there are two ways they could take the other two stations from the Nameless.
1) Lower SECD's influence after the conflict to start another one. Risky, since if Nameless win it, they get Robardin Rock back, but quicker if they're feeling confident.
2) Get Nameless into a fight with any of the other factions in the system, win that fight also. Then ... Amber Dock, if my theories are correct ... will go to that other faction if they win (but Nameless don't get anything if they do). Safer, but potentially leaves the three stations scattered among three different factions, which then requires further conflicts between those factions to clean up (if they want to, and they might prefer to leave them distributed)

 

[Just Paul]

Wrong!I was attacked first dropping off exploration data in my Asp Explorer.Not only were we pulling maintenance for EN we were also helping other factions in Colonia so they could enjoy their selves on DW2.Grant it, on roster we had over 70+ people but in fact we had only 9 or so players that were regularly active.

If you read my statement again it said that I was attacked from your guys first, verbally too. I didn't started shooting first until the 3rd or 4th time. No bad blood here, it was war and it looks like it still is for a long time.
Btw you were not the 1st faction to be used by SEPP to do their bidding. Also why did you guys leave CEI before the vote? Did somebody told you that you have no chance to get voted in?

 

[CMDR Jal'Bur]

The war is currently 3-0, so the earliest there could be a transfer is tomorrow morning at 4-0 (or not, if it goes 3-1)

Control of a system is determined by who controls the system's primary station (in this case, Robardin Rock). So SECD are currently one won day off taking that station from the Nameless and gaining system control. If they do, there are two ways they could take the other two stations from the Nameless.
1) Lower SECD's influence after the conflict to start another one. Risky, since if Nameless win it, they get Robardin Rock back, but quicker if they're feeling confident.
2) Get Nameless into a fight with any of the other factions in the system, win that fight also. Then ... Amber Dock, if my theories are correct ... will go to that other faction if they win (but Nameless don't get anything if they do). Safer, but potentially leaves the three stations scattered among three different factions, which then requires further conflicts between those factions to clean up (if they want to, and they might prefer to leave them distributed)

Completely correct. They either take the risky path 1) or they go for 2) and take the other stations for a second faction (which would obviously be EN). Amber Dock would go for whatever faction ends in a war with Nameless after the first two wars. If SECD have control and take Aragon Silo, if they go for a third war and win they control all three. If they go for the split option, SECD controls Robardin and EN controls Aragon Silo then for them it makes sense for EN to go for Amber dock, otherwise it would require some trickery to get SECD to get a lock with Nameless.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Amber Dock would go for whatever faction ends in a war with Nameless after the first two wars.

Incidentally, there's a theoretical BGS point here - after the controlling station which is always more valuable, how is station value determined?

Amber Dock has a higher economy size than Aragon Silo - but Aragon Silo was added first. I think this might be the first opportunity for a while to check this one with a definitive case, as there are competing theories on this one.

The capture order when the Nameless took the system was Robardin, Amber, Aragon ... so I think I'll bet Amber this time too, though I would originally have thought Aragon based on earlier information.

(There's also a fourth asset in the system - the Unauthorised Installation in the outer system - though I think everyone's expecting that to be definitely 4th on the list)

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I think it is quite obvious from the above posts that the assertion LR were heavily involved in Distant Ganks is wrong. Looks like Akuma scored a bit of an own goal there. However that does not mean that LR did not take advantage of ENs absence from Colonia during DW2 to take Carcosa, which I think looks pretty clear at this point. Which, to be frank, is fine. LR saw an opportunity and took it. What is not fine is acting like a victim afterwards and it is becoming more and more clear why EN are motivated to take Carcosa back. What I am seeing here is that LR are opportunists with no qualms (also fine) but then I really don't see why they should be suprised if the people they take advantage of strike back.
All that being said, the BGS side still remains very interesting. I said last week that I think there is more to come and now with Civitas Dei in the system it seems pretty obvious what will happen. Nameless will get locked out of control if and when EN and Civitas Dei take all three stations. I think assumptions that they will turn on each other are premature. The repeated locks in Union show that they are working together so don't be suprised if that continues. Sure, maybe they'll turn on each other in future but if that happens we'll just have The Call to Arms to free Colonia 2, so order your popcorn in adcance.

DW2 was irrelevant to our decision to come to Colonia. It was happening regardless.

Did we take advantage of it? Of course. Why wouldn't we?

As far as playing the victim... well, you'll see.

 

[Rat Catcher]

(There's also a fourth asset in the system - the Unauthorised Installation in the outer system - though I think everyone's expecting that to be definitely 4th on the list)

This is an uncontrolled asset - does your record show if it existed before The Nameless took control of the system, Ian?

 

[Rat Catcher]

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As far as playing the victim... well, you'll see.

Methinks a different reaction was expected - great response

 

[fishevi]

As far as playing the victim... well, you'll see.

@Phisto Sobanii made me do it.

 

[CMDR Jal'Bur]

From what I know the order is:
closest to the entry point with the highest population (which is a hidden value).
In Carcosa this means:
1. Robardin (closest and highest pop therefor system control)
2. Aragon Silo (second closest, don't know pop)
3. Amber dock (furthest out and presumably lowest pop from the history although could be wrong)

 

[Rat Catcher]

I'll be glad to get back to Colonia tomorrow, the bubble is fine, but is a bit short on stars.
Possibly I can use my 50% share in the Fleet carrier to move it to one of my favourite exploration spots for a couple of weeks.
Will be nice to get my teeth into that large patch of WD's - nothing happening of interest in the region currently to be bothered staying around.

 

[fishevi]

I don't see posts from certain cmdr any more. Me happy.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

@Phisto Sobanii made me do it.

I simply encourage folks to give themselves permission to act as they please.

 

[fishevi]

I simply encourage folks to give themselves permission to act as they please.

As I said, @Phisto Sobanii made me do it.

 

[znôrt]

Safer, but potentially leaves the three stations scattered among three different factions, which then requires further conflicts between those factions to clean up (if they want to, and they might prefer to leave them distributed)

what's actually the consequence of controlling assets other than the control one?

 

[Just Paul]

Completely correct. They either take the risky path 1) or they go for 2) and take the other stations for a second faction (which would obviously be EN). Amber Dock would go for whatever faction ends in a war with Nameless after the first two wars. If SECD have control and take Aragon Silo, if they go for a third war and win they control all three. If they go for the split option, SECD controls Robardin and EN controls Aragon Silo then for them it makes sense for EN to go for Amber dock, otherwise it would require some trickery to get SECD to get a lock with Nameless.

The plan is different. You need to look a little further and not only at the direct members of the AAAxis. The change in ownership of a system close to Carcosa a few days ago and inf changes in the controlled systems of that faction paint a different picture. Somebody is still spreadsheeting from the shadows. We will not forget about you and everybody else involved in it. The scouting in the bubble was very interesting and informative I have to say. No wonder such big empires can be build there with not that many people.

As I said, @Phisto Sobanii made me do it.

Phisto convinced me to come to Colonia a little over a year ago. Now look what that has done. Fun and engaging game play ever since.