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sovapid

sovapid
Agony_Aunt said:
Technical debt eh?

Technical debt - Wikipedia

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That wiki page could have been written for CIG.
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Text book example of technical debt right here

The rollout of this feature required a significant time investment from both the Vehicle Feature Team (VFT) and Vehicle Experience Team (VET) due to the nature of simply having to redo the balance and tuning of the 120+ vehicles currently flyable in the PU alongside those in Squadron 42.
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Alpha 3.10 Postmortem - Roberts Space Industries | Follow the development of Star Citizen and Squadron 42

Roberts Space Industries is the official go-to website for all news about Star Citizen and Squadron 42. It also hosts the online store for game items and merch, as well as all the community tools used by our fans.
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Agony_Aunt said:
But while the term is often incorrectly used to mean stuff promised but not yet delivered on, AFIAK, we don't have a good phrase for that, so tech debt can work as a stand in for it.
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Sure, if you want to look like you have no idea what you are talking about and are using big words to sound smarter, go right ahead.
 
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Arcondes

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Agony_Aunt said:
YOU WILL MULTICREW! We didn't spend all this time and effort for people to go flying their own ships! Multicrew and your ship will punch above its weight! Also, forget fixed weapons! Turrets are where the meta is now guys!
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Even with the Aim assist in the turrets I don’t believe that the multi crew offered in SC will be an long term „fun“ factor. The backers already crying for AI crews. This Multi Crew concept stands for all the mess SC has become. I personally can’t believe that poeple are willing to spend their play time in a turret in an empty unfinished star system. But we are in year nine of funding this scam. So everything is possible.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
sovapid said:
Text book example of technical debt right here



robertsspaceindustries.com

Alpha 3.10 Postmortem - Roberts Space Industries | Follow the development of Star Citizen and Squadron 42

Roberts Space Industries is the official go-to website for all news about Star Citizen and Squadron 42. It also hosts the online store for game items and merch, as well as all the community tools used by our fans.
robertsspaceindustries.com







Sure, if you want to look like you have no idea what you are talking about and are using big words to sound smarter, go right ahead.
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Well, if you know of the correct technical phrase for it, why not share with us, instead of being snarky about it?
 

Firkrayt

Firkrayt
dayrth said:
How about feature debt. Promising features faster than you produce them.
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That's not a debt, that's feature investment. See, it grows! Pledge now!!

LittleAnt said:
I talk for me. I haven't paid for testing. I've paid 45 $ to fund the project. In exchange CIG gave me an access to the alpha to see what they do. I was not able to test for several years (because potato PC) and I only test the alpha since early 2019.
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So, to clarify:
1. You are testing SC for a year and half now.
2. One can't test SC if he haven't paid Ci-G.
3. You have paid CI-G $45.

Seems to me like you did paid for testing, however unintentionally.

Pledge now to do a chore!!
 

Sanya V. Juutilainen

Sanya V. Juutilainen
Mole HD said:
I can tell you from experience that Star Citizen folks don't want to hear that... When I first saw Tony Zurovec's demo from the last citizencon I was immediately impressed (it was a cool demo)...then I realised after I'd watched it once or twice more, it was just recreating the function of the BGS from Elite but shown in graphical format. I'm sure it's a bit more in depth than the BGS...but it certainly (allegedly) works the same at the end of it ...with only one system to calculate for...the BGS does it for millions of them :)
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Same, when the colored paths stuff started spreading, I immediately thought of trading overlay in E: D. The resemblance is really solid there.
 
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Viajero

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Viajero
Silaz said:
3. Another Youtuber estimates that the game may need a further 8 - 10 years to be complete enough to release, going by all the stretch goals that were promised that have not yet been met making it about 25% complete so far.
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That may not be very far off :p for an eventual delivery of all promised to date to the level of quality promised to date. A much more likely scenario imo though is that SC will be released grossly incomplete and lacking serious quality much earlier than that. Be it as some kind of Early Access scheme or an actual release based on an MVP (both of which will be a direct failure to the promise of delivery of the games in their final and polished state).
 

Skizomeuh

Skizomeuh
Viajero said:
A much more likely scenario imo though is that SC will be released grossly incomplete and lacking serious quality much earlier than that. Be it as some kind of Early Access scheme or an actual release based on an MVP (both of which will be a direct failure to the promise of delivery of the games in their final and polished state).
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Yet the faithful will adapt the narrative.
 

hairychris

hairychris
Agony_Aunt said:
Its an interesting condundrum CIG have caused themselves.

If it takes too long to get ships, the non-whales will complain loudly and it will reinforce the view that ship sales were pay to win. But if they can be got too quickly, the whales will cry that their investments were worthless, that CIG cheated them. (yeah, they like to say they do it to support CIG, but we all know its all because of the ships so they get to flex on others who can't afford them).

It also has implications for multicrew. If hard, then to get on the big ships, you're going to have to be subservient to a whale. If easy, there are going to be more cap ships flying around than small ships (more performance strain as well). If CIG implement NPC crews, you're going to have lots of people flying cap ships populated by NPCs instead of players.

Its a problem of their own making though. Instead of focusing on delivering the BDSSE at a reasonable scale, getting to launch, and then using funding from game sales and cosmetics, perhaps subscriptions (CR did say no subscriptions though) then they could have largely avoided this issue, and then gone on to expand the game further. Instead they had no coherent development plan, no clue how to deliver on a lot of the tech they would need for the bigger scope, and are working under the assumption they have infinite time and money to do what they want to do.
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And, then, what happens when whale in expensive ship gets ganked vs pleb who did the grind for it (assuming neither has any insurance)? Farewell sweet $$$? I have never got my head around how the in-game ship economy can work with both in-game currency and the same items that have cost maybe thousands of IRL dollars.

Plus according to vintage Roberts, ship sales go away on release. But I can't see that happening.
 

Firkrayt

Firkrayt
LittleAnt said:
No. If the alpha had been a closed one, I would have funded in the same way. The alpha access is a bonus for me.
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Dear sir, that is a hypothesis. It never happened. The reaility is you paid for doing testing.

P.S. Not what you expected, sure, but this is a recurring scheme with SC, the reality doesn't meet expectations, for 5 years and counting.
 
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