Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Xink said:
Does that really matter though? CR and his buddies already got rich(er). Do they really need to care about salt from players or reviewers? Not like they need to sell copies to make money, they already have. No worrying about metacritic scores or anything of the like. The devs that worked for them will just get a new job, seem to not have much trouble even with "CIG for 5-8 years" on their resume.

CR will make a few more dozen epic rants about how SC has gone so far beyond best ever that salty internet trolls just cannot fathom how epic it truly is, absolve himself and claim a moral victory in his own head. After which he will just retire with already made profits. He's coming up to 60, mind you, not too far off now.
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Well, Calder might like a return now. And they might sue for it, if they felt misrepresented. Like someone ran a cinematic and told them the game was nearly done and they just needed "marketing" money to sell it. That would never happen after all....:sneaky:
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Viajero said:
This quote is a bit too generous on CIG, since it asumes there is at least a measure of competence and reasonableness to try and reach out for perfection.

In the case of CIG or CR the constantly alleged ambition for perfection is not a dream or a bold vision, it is just the ultimate excuse for failure. I think this other quote from Oscar Wilde applies much, much better to CIG and Chris Roberts:

"Ambition is the last refuge of failure"
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It's what you're able to write on your gravestone at the end of it all...what's CR going to have inscribed on his...a list of his failures followed by "I tried."?

I've had a thought about that grim subject as I get older and more broken...I've got a choice.

1) "If you're standing here reading this, I probably made you run around a drill square with a rifle above your head."
2) Copy Spike Milligan's epitaph.."I told you I was ill."
3) "I bled for and earned this peace."
4)The ancient Latin quote in my signature below...historically, a greeting shared between 2 gladiators on entering the arena...

I won't be remembered by history besides abstract views of what's already been written about the minor scuffles I took part in during my first life...as for the second life I was granted by sheer luck after it...I grew cows and complained a lot ;)
 
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Xink

Xink
Agony_Aunt said:
I believe he truly believes he can make his ultimate space game this time.
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"This time".. I'd believe it if he had not already tried that same trick at least twice before already - all with similar results. It's a business, after all, people are in it to make money.

There's no way CR, who appears to not have played any video games at all in the past 30 years or so, can convince me he's doing it because he really wants to make the ultimate space game. Certainly not for himself, then for whom? For the backers, out of the goodness of his own heart? Come on, let's not be that naive.

Nah, don't buy it. He's in it for the money and the money is good.

The Calders exercising whatever legal authority they have to get their returns is only ever going to benefit the Calders.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Agony_Aunt said:
Pretty sure CR doesn't want to walk off with the money though. For all people crying scam, i do not believe CR wants to scam anyone. Far from it. I believe he truly believes he can make his ultimate space game this time. And this time without pesky publishers holding him accountable and backers who will excuse every lie he says, he could do it.

If only he hadn't invited anyone to buy a percentage of the company...
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There's a difference between "taking the money and run," and "not taking money at all."

The Roberts Clan (Chris, brother Erin, and friend Ortwin), as the directors of CIG UK, just one of the many shell companies formed around this project, have been paid just shy of two million dollars as of 2018... and director compensation nearly doubled in 2018. This is in addition to an unknown amount paid for being the directors of the the main company, Cloud Imperium Games, and of course all the other shell companies. Not to mention the over four million dollars that Roberts Clan got as part of the Calder's deal.

That's one of the many things that sets Star Citizen apart from other failed Kickstarter projects. Kickstarter is littered with projects that have financially ruined the people in charge. Chris Roberts, on the other hand, bought himself a mansion, a yacht, and a seven figure nest egg.

edited because I didn't know the yacht was a rental...
 
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Xink said:
"This time".. I'd believe it if he had not already tried that same trick at least twice before already - all with similar results. It's a business, after all, people are in it to make money.

There's no way CR, who appears to not have played any video games at all in the past 30 years or so, can convince me he's doing it because he really wants to make the ultimate space game. Certainly not for himself, then for whom? For the backers, out of the goodness of his own heart? Come on, let's not be that naive.

Nah, don't buy it. He's in it for the money and the money is good.

The Calders exercising whatever legal authority they have to get their returns is only ever going to benefit the Calders.
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Oh, sure, and i'm sure he fully believed it the last two times as well.

He's a master of self-deception.

If you are looking for someone who is involved and is aware of the situation and prepared to ride off into the sunset, its probably Count Ortwin.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Mole HD said:
It's what you're able to write on your gravestone at the end of it all...what's CR going to have inscribed on his...a list of his failures followed by "I tried."?
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Indeed, it boils down to that basic thought really. Claiming to try the impossible is cheap, especially with other people's money. Ambition without the proper planning, competences, skills and management is not actually ambition, it is utter folly.
 

Tippis

Tippis
Xink said:
There's no way CR, who appears to not have played any video games at all in the past 30 years or so, can convince me he's doing it because he really wants to make the ultimate space game. Certainly not for himself, then for whom? For the backers, out of the goodness of his own heart? Come on, let's not be that naive.

Nah, don't buy it. He's in it for the money and the money is good.
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I'm not sure it's the money. I'm thoroughly convinced at this point that he's just a full-blown narcissist. He's doing it for the praise and glorification — for the confirmation of his self-importance.

Look through the history of his work and the stories surrounding their development. It has always been about him having the greatest idea that everyone copies; about his innovation; about him forming the industry. It has never been true, of course, but it's how he always talks about his projects and how others reminiscing about the them remember him acting. “Make that pixel blue” — now he made the crucial input that created a pixel masterpiece, not some lowly insignificant artist.

He wants adoration, but his childish attempts end up not even being adorable because of his deep-seated lack of competence in any of the areas he wants to be worshipped for. By dictate alone, he's trying to be the one who leaves an indelible mark on history, but that is all he has and dictate alone will never produce anything of value. Actual competent and creative people have to do the work, and without due credit, they won't do that. Due credit is the one thing Chris can never afford to give them.
 
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Darkfyre99 said:
There's a difference between "taking the money and run," and "not taking money at all."

The Roberts Clan (Chris, brother Erin, and friend Ortwin), as the directors of CIG UK, just one of the many shell companies formed around this project, have been paid just shy of two million dollars as of 2018... and director compensation nearly doubled in 2018. This is in addition to an unknown amount paid for being the directors of the the main company, Cloud Imperium Games, and of course all the other shell companies. Not to mention the over four million dollars that Roberts Clan got as part of the Calder's deal.

That's one of the many things that sets Star Citizen apart from other failed Kickstarter projects. Kickstarter is littered with projects that have financially ruined the people in charge. Chris Roberts, on the other hand, bought himself a mansion, a yacht, and a seven figure nest egg.
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Sorry, do you have any evidence he bought himself a yacht? If you are referring to him being on a cruise back in 2015 or whenever it was, he was just renting as far as i know. Alledgedly a birthday present from Sandi.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Tippis said:
I'm not sure it's the money. I'm thoroughly convinced at this point that he's just a full-blown narcissist. He's doing it for the praise and glorification — for the confirmation of his self-importance.

Look through the history of his work and the stories surrounding their development. It has always been about him having the greatest idea that everyone copies; about his innovation; about him forming the industry. It has never been true, of course, but it's how he always talks about his projects and how others reminiscing about the them remembers him acting. “Make that pixel blue” — now he made the crucial input that created a pixel masterpiece, not some lowly insignificant artist.

He wants adoration, but his childish attempts end up not even being adorable because of his deep-seated lack of competence in any of the areas he wants to be worshipped for. By dictate alone, he's trying to be the one who leaves an indelible mark on history, but that is all he has and dictate alone will never produce anything of value. Actual competent and creative people have to do the work, and without due credit, they won't do that. Due credit is the one thing Chris can never afford to give them.
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Sums him up to a T (y)
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
Sorry, do you have any evidence he bought himself a yacht? If you are referring to him being on a cruise back in 2015 or whenever it was, he was just renting as far as i know. Alledgedly a birthday present from Sandi.
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I'd rather suggest that the rental of the floating gin palace parked at Monaco harbour was unwittingly gifted by the backers, not Sandi ;)

The berthing fees and rentals at Monaco are hardly equivalent to a family trip to the Norfolk broads...you could probably buy the majority of Norfolk with the annual cost of berthing any of those multi-million dollar gin palaces there. Weekly rentals from Monaco cost the equivalent of what most folks pay for a family car.
 
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Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Agony_Aunt said:
Sorry, do you have any evidence he bought himself a yacht? If you are referring to him being on a cruise back in 2015 or whenever it was, he was just renting as far as i know. Alledgedly a birthday present from Sandi.
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Ah... and here I always thought the picture was taken off of his personal (though obviously small) yacht. Post amended accordingly. 😊
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Viajero said:
That house thingie, that one correct too? Or was it just another "hello"?
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The Forbes piece had it like this:

In September 2018, the Roberts Family Trust, with Gardiner as its trustee, purchased a house for $4.7 million in L.A.’s Pacific Palisades neighborhood. Prior to that, Roberts had been renting. Roberts says he sold his Hollywood house in 2007 because he wanted to experience living near the ocean. He then rented for ten years because he wasn’t sure if he would like it or stay in L.A. long-term.
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milligna

milligna
Can you imagine Chris Roberts on a beach, slathered in sunscreen and attempting to look relaxed.

Mind you, the sand would have extremely high fidelity.
 

Gregstrom

G
Mole HD said:
It's what you're able to write on your gravestone at the end of it all...what's CR going to have inscribed on his...a list of his failures followed by "I tried."?

I've had a thought about that grim subject as I get older and more broken...I've got a choice.

1) "If you're standing here reading this, I probably made you run around a drill square with a rifle above your head."
2) Copy Spike Milligan's epitaph.."I told you I was ill."
3) "I bled for and earned this peace."
4)The ancient Latin quote in my signature below...historically, a greeting shared between 2 gladiators on entering the arena...

I won't be remembered by history besides abstract views of what's already been written about the minor scuffles I took part in during my first life...as for the second life I was granted by sheer luck after it...I grew cows and complained a lot ;)
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I rather fancy “you were right, that was a bad idea“.
 
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