Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[LittleAnt]

Providing a link that confirms that you lied? Hilarious, dear sir.

I really doesn't understand you... Can someone explain me where Firkrayt sees lies and how can I please him ?

And about their internal unofficial name ?

Like it or not, when someone talks about the Star engine for SC, he's not talking about what you posted. You are free to keep your own referential but if so, you will have troubles to understand some discussions about SC (but hearing useful info about SC is not a real matter for you as I understand). It's like talking about Budweiser in Czech Republic, it's good to know what beer we talk about before commenting.

 

[[VR] Merkir]

I must admit, on this occasion I fail to see how LittleAnt is lying. Even I, a non backer, was fully aware of the "Star Engine" moniker as it relates to CIG. And as he pointed out, it's an internal name used by CIG themselves. I assume most backers would be aware of the name, and would use it as a well known part of SC vernacular. This seems like a case of shooting the messenger.

 

[VR Golgot]

I really doesn't understand you... Can someone explain me where Firkrayt sees lies and how can I please him ?

Yeah I don't agree with the 'lies' goad.

Surely you can see that you're overplaying SC's 'starting from scratch' angle here though? They licensed a well-established engine (and hired a ton of Crytek devs who are deeply familiar with it). Yes they've had to adapt it, but companies often have to adapt their engines substantially for new titles. CDPR will doubtless be doing odd and unplanned-for things to REDengine for Cyberpunk.

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Honestly I think a lot of this is all focusing on the wrong areas though. You think the lengthy lag in creating an ambitious product is normal due to limitations of the starting tech and resourcing.

When equally, it could be argued, that no tech or resourcing could realise the ambitions that the CEO is aiming for...

We’re trying to do something that has the fidelity that you see in The Order, or has the fidelity you see in a first-person shooter but has multiplayer online and this huge universe and I absolutely, to the very fibre of my being, know it can happen.

It's perfectly possible that: That aim is not achievable. Hence it will definitely take a long time

But he's insisted on breaking the existing functional FPS aspect of Cryengine by pursuing daft daydreams like unified 1st/3rd person, and put it in direct conflict with the requirements of the MMO open world side by loading it with single-player tier detail.

He's doing dumb things. The guy is a fruit loop

 

[StuartGT]

Aye, Star Engine is the internal name for the heavily modified CryEngine 3.6.4 that CIG are using for Star Citizen and Squadron 42, licenced under their Lumberyard agreement with Amazon.

 

[Vetinari]

LA 'believes' and repeats CIG or CR, taking or presenting it as fact.
F calls this lying.

Believing something and saying it, is not lying whether it is 'true' or not, not believing something and saying it is lying. LA seems to be the former, a person committed to the project who can see no wrong.

I dont think LA is a liar as much as an optimist, if CIG call something Susan and LA calls it Susan, they are being truthful.....it doesnt mean its based on facts though or that the rest of the world agrees its called Susan or that Susan isnt already someone elses name.

Theres enough animosity without calling people liars all the time surely. Just block them if they annoy you that much. Only time will win this argument anyway, until then its all speculation.

 

[Viajero]

I really doesn't understand you... Can someone explain me where Firkrayt sees lies and how can I please him ?

For what is worth, I do not think you are lying. We may all argue about the validity of certain arguments or sources and we all have our bias of course. Also, remember you do not need to please Firkrayt, or anyone else here for that matter . It is perfectly ok to agree to disagree. I, for one, think your contributions are great.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

You know when lying is done everyday it seems like no wrong thing to do. I disagree, but don't mind the odd lie so much. What I do mind, however, is lies that are so obvious that they basically sell the people being lied to as idiots, as in "too dumb to notice" and that's e.g. when you say XY has had the same dev time (not true) and they didn't publish anything in that time (that's the part selling discussion partners for idiots - everyone knows that there's been stuff published by XY).

 

[Dooguk]

Well they got the name of the engine right as there is only one star in the game.

 

[Tippis]

Well they got the name of the engine right as there is only one star in the game.

The actual name is also appropriate since there's most likely a lot of crying going on over how far behind their decade-old console engine has left them.

 

[Vetinari]

And just for LA a comment from Spectrum that isnt to show how bad it is. I actually liked this one, it made me feel immersed, then I remembered it doesnt exist and am left hoping this person writes a book instead and Ill read that.

"I still want to know why they put the landing zone in the middle of the city like that...

Shunting it out to the edge, perhaps in its own walled "island" would be more "Hurston" and would justify the train needed to get to the city... and would ensure that no "employees" are "kidnapped" accidentally...

It would also ensure that no malfunctioning ships would accidentally wipe out any residential blocks or other expensive assets - any and all cargo coming in would be shipped as soon as possible, with outgoing cargo being shipped as late as possible - both minimising any risk of damage or destruction while at the spaceport.

Finally, it would also allow them to put a no-fly zone over the whole city and only allow certain ships into the zone to land at designated landing pads. This would allow a mission to allow a player to land a 300i at a private pad in the business district, for example, but not anything bigger. Everything else would be barred and would be diverted to the spaceport, which would be well away from the city. This would bring home the "haves" and "have-nots" contrast that is so obvious at Hurston."

Although I cant help noting that a Spaceport built in the middle of the city which then causes issues and needs lots of complicated solutions to fix....rather than just putting it outside in the first place, a normal solution that avoids the problems, is a bit similar to the whole CIG project.

And one for @sovapid, care to comment whether this would stop you being naughty? Not sure they know about that 1 alt acct earning prison credits though (edited swear words and replaced for this forum, original available on Spectrum, AA link above- NFL)
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...hread/please-cig-no-more-hand-holding/3524569
Let people do dumb stuff. If the dumb stuff they do impacts others, toss em in jail. If they continue doing dumb stuff, give them a permanent crime stat. Make people with permanent crime stat clear it at a special secure facility with more guards, interior turrets and all kinds of nonsense to make it pure misery to clear it.
That should keep all but the most idiotic of idots in line.

 

[Vetinari]

And heres a nice productive comment on one of the 'Stop Complaining' threads, after some quite funny banter, basically if nothing happening in SC then try:

Games that i'd recommend the survivor/crafter/miner Star Citizen:

• Subnautica & Subnautica: Below Zero
• Hardspace: Shipbreaker
• Windbound
• Empyrion: Galactic Survival
• Space Haven (Like Rimworld, but on a space ship)
• Celestial Command
• Atlas
• X4: Foundations

Games that i'd recommend the fighter Star Citizen:

• Star Wars: Squadrons
• Elite Dangerous
• Rebel Galaxy: Outlaw
• EverSpace
• Endless Horizon

Booo ED didnt make the mining list as well...and wheres exploration btw?

 

[Garix]

Best game for those waiting for SC....

Patience.

 

[kilvenny]

Best game for those waiting for SC....

Patience.

Hey, stop that, equating Patience to SC is scurrilous. You may not get out each hand, but it never errors out. Although it is possible to buy lots of different card packs they are at least optional.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Hey, stop that, equating Patience to SC is scurrilous. You may not get out each hand, but it never errors out. Although it is possible to buy lots of different card packs they are at least optional.

Why buy packs when you can shuffle the deck?

 

[kilvenny]

Why buy packs when you can shuffle the deck?

Different images on the playing cards! Bit like ship JPEGS but slightly cheaper!

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Different images on the playing cards! Bit like ship JPEGS but slightly cheaper!

You mean like Sandi without... gasp .... without handbag?!

 

[Firkrayt]

You are free to keep your own referential but if so, you will have troubles to understand some discussions about SC

I must admit, on this occasion I fail to see how LittleAnt is lying.

Yeah I don't agree with the 'lies' goad.

Surely you can see that you're overplaying SC's 'starting from scratch' angle here though? They licensed a well-established engine (and hired a ton of Crytek devs who are deeply familiar with it). Yes they've had to adapt it, but companies often have to adapt their engines substantially for new titles.

Aye, Star Engine is the internal name for the heavily modified CryEngine 3.6.4 that CIG are using for Star Citizen

Ugh, guys, seriously? I stand corrected, Star Engine has something to do with CIG: they are trying to steal that name.


Now, let's review the history of posts:
First, LittleAnt says

While CIG is only on it's first iteration of the Star Engine

I call it a lie.
Then he provides a link:

Star engine is the internal name used by CIG to describe the heavily modified LY (ex CY) + all tools/API developped specificaly for SC/SQ42.

And I did quote from his link:

On 2016-12-23, CIG announced with the release of Star Citizen Alpha 2.6.0 its move to Amazon Lumberyard game-engine (which is also based on CryEngine 3.8)

Calling the engine that SC uses a modified version of Lumberyard is not "my own referential", it is a fact proven by LittleAnt's own source.
At the same time calling it "Star Engine" is CI-G own "internal referential", again, a fact proven by LittleAnt's own source.

Now, back to my original post:

And now, dear sir, you are lying again. Star Engine has nothing to do with Star Citizen.
CI-G are using Lumberyard, which is successor of CryEngine 3.8, which is successor of CryEngine 3 (different engines, from PS3 and XBox360 era), which was actually Crytek's fourth game engine.
So CI-G's are on the sixth iteration of the engine, dating back to the beginning of century.

And you tell me that LittleAnt is right while he says that SC is not on the sixth iteration of CryEngine, but on the first iteration of something totally new?
Well, I can't actually argue that.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Star Engine is but their fantasy name for the current Cryengine / Lumberyard engine they use. I suppose every dev "heavily modifies" their production equipment when making games to some extent.

 

[MTBFritz]

Ugh, guys, seriously? I stand corrected, Star Engine has something to do with CIG: they are trying to steal that name.


Now, let's review the history of posts:
First, LittleAnt says

I call it a lie.
Then he provides a link:


And I did quote from his link:


Calling the engine that SC uses a modified version of Lumberyard is not "my own referential", it is a fact proven by LittleAnt's own source.
At the same time calling it "Star Engine" is CI-G own "internal referential", again, a fact proven by LittleAnt's own source.

Now, back to my original post:


And you tell me that LittleAnt is right while he says that SC is not on the sixth iteration of CryEngine, but on the first iteration of something totally new?
Well, I can't actually argue that.

Maybe it would be a good thing to review some peoples posts with a bit of leeway like many probably read mine where I constantly try to portrait CIG as scammers, scum, fraud etc. I dont have definitive proof and people could call me out but everybody probably thinks "yeah its Fritz and if I react to his wall of text guess what hes gonna do.....yeah...another 20.k word count so meh...." also I tend to believe I have some kind of history/reputation on this forum so people know its my opinion mostly. Its almost impossible to make people admit a mistake but you can of course point them out. When you consider the content of some posts and their assumed intention you will never any kind of confirmation for this back and forh.

Reading the last few pages makes me think there is some "bone" to be growled over and I m not sure thats really a good thing when things become borderline personal.

The extreme bias and double standard demonstrated by many pro-SC fans is irritating and outright annoying but it cant be helped I guess. Their counterpart, the so-called "haters" do nothing else than demanding hard evidence for claimed achievements and performance so simply by logical conclusion I would say that one side is worse than the other

I have observed the flat earther movement for quite some time now and whats becoming increasingly obvious is that the more globalists push the more flat earthers push back. Nowadays flat earthers claim to be the only "woke" and everybody else is sheeple and even tho they come up with ridiculous claims and methods of proof and clearly dont understand scale, physics and so many scientific things you are not going to make them admit wrongdoing or convert them to the truth. SC fans are pretty much the same. And I m not talking about everybody who likes the idea or put money into this. I m talking about the more invested folks who have no restraint to phrase everything SC related in the best possible way, dismiss or ignore obvious issues while at the same time looking and finding non-issues in other areas.

Trump/Biden? Same thing. You have people making a personal decision and going with it....often battling forward. Truth and facts hardly ever are a factor in these disputes. Only winning is. We could outright ignore each other but of course thats not going to happen when currently SC propagandists try to convince the rest of the world that SC is the BDSSE. And when they get rejected, challenged or ridiculed for their claims (last see on the Star wars squadron forums) its because everybody else "hates" Star Citizen. Sure.

Pointing out flaws is pretty much all you can do. Which means you gotta have to ignore denial and crazy stuff a bit.

Anyway...back to the program

 

[VR Golgot]

Ugh, guys, seriously? I stand corrected, Star Engine has something to do with CIG: they are trying to steal that name.

The point was just: Why call everything LA says a deliberate lie?

Sometimes it feels like your ire is aimed at CIG's knowing misrepresentations etc. Whereas LA is just a starry-eyed fan repeating some of them. You're kinda shooting the messenger.

I don't think LA is deliberately miscasting anything or being deceptive as such. (Despite his desire to broadcast a rosy picture of SC to counteract the gleeful criticism here ). He's just saying it how he sees it for the most part. (The fact that his fandom leads him to regurgitate some of CIG's sillier subterfuges unquestioningly along the way doesn't make him a liar, or the source of the lie. So why not tackle the lie at source? Tackle the claims themselves, rather than the individual?)

Just chill a bit on the 'liar' stuff eh?