Are all your income balancing need satisfied until Odysee?

askavir

askavir
Factabulous said:
  • CZ Wrinkles - 50k for a Spec Ops wing :eek:
  • S&R mission payouts
  • Mega-ship / installation scenario payouts
  • 'Cargo Delivery' missions (to match Source & Return)
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Jmanis said:
  • Smuggling
  • megaship looting
  • Sol->Colonia passenger missions
  • threat 5&6 pirate activity sites and other engineered targets
  • mining missions
  • Alien biopsies (notwithstanding the recent cg)
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What they said ^^^ plus salvage, most especially xeno-salvage. I wouldn´t mind spending time clearing out entire guardian / thargoid sites out of stuff in the arx end of space, carrying 2 items at a time back to the ship in my SRV, if those items would be worth considerably more. I mean, they're alien civilizations objects, how can they be worth so little?
 
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Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
A balancing the earnings thread?

Well, I remember when a little thing called piracy could get you a nice amount of credits.
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The problem is since LTDs have been dropped to a sensible price, this has had the effect of making practically every activity easier to earn credits on. At the moment, piracy requires you know the right system, you can spot the right ship, you can immobilise it to stop it jumping out and you can scoop up the cargo without the ship drifting out of sight.

Criminal gameplay desperately needs some love in the form of much more pay and far more punishment for being caught. Being scanned with a hold full of stolen or illegal goods could make the goods unsaleable anywhere, for example. Whatever happens (and there's lots of threads with good ideas on this), I'd like more risks and more rewards please.
 

Starshot_Jigawatts

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ObiW said:
Another decent thread getting ruined. Shame.
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If you don't want these threads "ruined" then you and others need to come down on those who make those "noobaconda" smears about other players. Because that mentality just signals that the drive to nerf credits isn't motivated by any real balance or game play concerns but rather just from a place of malice and spite against other CMDR's.
 

Ethaidan

Ethaidan
Starshot_Jigawatts said:
If you don't want these threads "ruined" then you and others need to come down on those who make those "noobaconda" smears about other players. Because that mentality just signals that the drive to nerf credits isn't motivated by any real balance or game play concerns but rather just from a place of malice and spite against other CMDR's.
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So exactly what do you reckon a n00bconda is?
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
Starshot_Jigawatts said:
If you don't want these threads "ruined" then you and others need to come down on those who make those "noobaconda" smears about other players. Because that mentality just signals that the drive to nerf credits isn't motivated by any real balance or game play concerns but rather just from a place of malice and spite against other CMDR's.
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There is a reason for this though. Back in about February/March 2019, around the time people had really got to grips with mining there was a bunch of threads basically all on the same topic of "The Anaconda sucks. It's the best ship in the game and I keep being blown up, this game is stupid".

What they'd done is picked up billions in void opals, bought their big ship and tried to fly it with none of the knowledge about flying or build choices that come from progressing from smaller ships. So the issue isn't players who are enjoying flying their big ships. If you like it, go for it. It's the people who have judged the game as being bad purely because they don't know how to fly a big ship when previously they'd never have been able to get that far in that short a time (previous credit exploits notwithstanding). Put them in a Krait mk2 and they started loving the game again.

The difference with mining back then and the previous credit exploits BTW is that the exploits were oddball situations that were patched put relatively quickly, whereas mining prices were everywhere.
 

skananote

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Dillon Fallon said:
There is a reason for this though.
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There is no reason to insult anyone regardless of anything... You simply not right.

Dillon Fallon said:
What they'd done is picked up billions in void opals, bought their big ship and tried to fly it with none of the knowledge about flying or build choices that come from progressing from smaller ships.
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And how is that affecting anyone apart from player who made A CHOICE. Why do you think that you are in the position to call anyone choice bad?? I still do not get why so many people here feels entitled to judge the choices of other players and explain to them what is right and what is wrong?? Isn't ED all about personal narrative?? What is wrong for you could be perfectly OK for others...
 

Ethaidan

Ethaidan
skananote said:
Hmm, let me think, maybe insultive term to describe player who got his ship quicker than you would approve??
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Well then you'd be mostly wrong. Read Dillon's reply. It's more about the 24hrs from start to Anaconda, then repeated deaths, forum whingjng about how crap it turns, how crap it is to fly, etc. Yes, it is a bit of mockery - of noobs who get on YouTube, rush to the Anaconda, then die & whinge because they have no clue about pretty much any aspect about the game. So dry your tears and move on.
 

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Ethaidan said:
Well then you'd be mostly wrong. Read Dillon's reply. It's more about the 24hrs from start to Anaconda, then repeated deaths, forum whingjng about how crap it turns, how crap it is to fly, etc. Yes, it is a bit of mockery - of noobs who get on YouTube, rush to the Anaconda, then die & whinge because they have no clue about pretty much any aspect about the game. So dry your tears and move on.
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OK, let's assume you are right. Mockery is top of the priorities here. Job well done. I still need to understand how is that anyone's problem. If players blows up millions for the ship they are unable to pilot - THIS IS NOT AFFECTING ANY OF US. Why does anyone feel the need to mock anyone??. What is the point??
 

Ethaidan

Ethaidan
skananote said:
OK, let's assume you are right. Mockery is top of the priorities here. Job well done. I still need to understand how is that anyone's problem. If players blows up millions for the ship they are unable to pilot - THIS IS NOT AFFECTING ANY OF US. Why does anyone feel the need to mock anyone??. What is the point??
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Are you new to gaming, or the Internet? If the term n00bconda has got you so bunched up, how do you feel about comments referring to solo players as BGS cheating cowards? Or gankers as psychopathic incels IRL? Or anyone who high wakes from an interdiction a borderline cheat? Or console users as peasants responsible for everything wrong with Ed? Etc. n00bconda is an interesting line to draw in the sand, I look forward to your crusades against so many other things in this forum.
 

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Starshot_Jigawatts said:
If you don't want these threads "ruined" then you and others need to come down on those who make those "noobaconda" smears about other players. Because that mentality just signals that the drive to nerf credits isn't motivated by any real balance or game play concerns but rather just from a place of malice and spite against other CMDR's.
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Nah. Judging from the other thread it's impossible to discuss anything with you on a sensible and cordial level unless I agree with you, so I'm just going to put you on ignore instead. Problem solved.
 

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Dillon Fallon said:
There is a reason for this though. Back in about February/March 2019, around the time people had really got to grips with mining there was a bunch of threads basically all on the same topic of "The Anaconda sucks. It's the best ship in the game and I keep being blown up, this game is stupid".

What they'd done is picked up billions in void opals, bought their big ship and tried to fly it with none of the knowledge about flying or build choices that come from progressing from smaller ships. So the issue isn't players who are enjoying flying their big ships. If you like it, go for it. It's the people who have judged the game as being bad purely because they don't know how to fly a big ship when previously they'd never have been able to get that far in that short a time (previous credit exploits notwithstanding). Put them in a Krait mk2 and they started loving the game again.

The difference with mining back then and the previous credit exploits BTW is that the exploits were oddball situations that were patched put relatively quickly, whereas mining prices were everywhere.
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This is spot on. Anyone getting offended over the term needs to get a grip.
 

Mastadon623

Mastadon623
One gameplay loop that is still in need of a buff is Exploration...especially for unexplored planets and for "junk" icy planets. Really need some sort of payout for exploring icy planets. I've got a feeling that the latter will be addressed in Odyssey.
 

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One gameplay loop that is still in need of a buff is Exploration...especially for unexplored planets and for "junk" icy planets. Really need some sort of payout for exploring icy planets. I've got a feeling that the latter will be addressed in Odyssey.
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Maybe it would be better if payouts were tied to rank. On my alt the payouts are way too high, and I'm flying through the ranks, simply by using the FSS now and then inside the bubble, and without really trying - stumble across an ELW and bam you have a couple of millions added to your account, while mission payouts are well below 1m.

On the other hand, they're about ok on my main account, though yes some of the more worthless bodies like icy/rocky could do with a boost if they have any special features (not sure if this isn't already in the game - afaik the only distinction in rewards is whether they're terraformable or not).
 

skananote

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Mastadon623 said:
One gameplay loop that is still in need of a buff is Exploration...especially for unexplored planets and for "junk" icy planets. Really need some sort of payout for exploring icy planets. I've got a feeling that the latter will be addressed in Odyssey.
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I think exploration need a buff. (like full stop) Some say that exploration carries no risk so explorers should not be paid well etc. I disagree.
 

BDelacroix

BDelacroix
So now that prices are increased, just increase the cost of everything putting us back where we were.
I see we still have people who run the gamut. From dark souls in space, I like my chairs with plenty of wooden splinters to I want it all for free.
 
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