Make Elite an MMO again !!

[Robert Maynard]

Lets do a fun experiment and translate it to real world.

RL comparisons with a video game with pretend space-ships and immortal space pixies as avatars rarely work well, but here goes....

A thief with a weapon asks for your wallet.

You tell him : "Hey, I dont want to live in the same world as you, you are a PVPer Ganker Mosquito!! I will ask my gods to do a PvE universe!!"

In this case gods attended and create a solo mode for you and a open mode for others.

And heres the problem. Fdev is god here, Neo.

Whether Frontier's game design is a problem to be solved or a feature set designed to accommodate as many players as possible is a matter of opinion.

So we talk to them in formus asking for some changes we dont like.

Why would players seek changes to the game that they don't like?

I have no problems with your whale attitude while you should have no problems with my Mosquito interactions.

I have no problems with Mosquito interactions - as I can choose which game mode to play in at the start of each session in accordance with my expectations for that play session. I only very rarely encounter Mosquitos using this method - and never when I am doing something where ship loss would equate to a significant loss of time "invested".

 

[Robert Maynard]

Do think it's a shame I'm blocking moderator's. I thought they were supposed to be impartial.

Please note that Frontier Volunteer Moderators are not official Frontier Staff, but awesome members of the community who are volunteering to help you have the best experience. They are freely permitted to join in any debate or discussion on our forums. However, once they get involved in a thread, they are not permitted to actively moderate it due to a possible conflict of interest. Any moderation of said threads will be performed by another Volunteer Moderator.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

@CMDR Lukone, just to prove that it isn't "forum vs you" thread. There's a search widget up in the top right corner - do yourself a favour and type "open only" in it, and examine the results. For bonus points, pardon the pun, type "open bonus" and again examine the results.

War. War never changes.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Why would players seek changes to the game that they don't like?

I actually think that the meaning behind this was "seek to change the things we don't like", as OP explained that English is not his native language.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I actually think that the meaning behind this was "seek to change the things we don't like", as OP explained that English is not his native language.

Ta.

 

[CMDR Lukone]

It's a slow week in Lockdown... We need a little light entertainment and this particular 'dead horse' does provide the best of its kind...

I really love that gankers think they are a) sacry & b) special... Well not unless you consider the use of 'special' that gets an infraction from the mods

Considering a Forum Moderator is here discussing with us I dont think its a slow thing.

More of a well, why cant we discuss everything? Forum posts doesnt cost aditional money aniways and you can read or comment if you want... Or ignore it...

 

[Rat Catcher]

Considering a Forum Moderatos is here discussing with us I dont think its a slow thing.

More of a well, why we cant discuss everything? Forum posts doesnt cost aditional money aniways and you can read or comment if you want... Or ignore it...

Indeed...
As the moderator is in 'normal poster' mode, his role may be discounted (no offence meant @Robert Maynard - you are just 'one of the lads' ATM) and comments treated exactly the same as everyone else's.

We can discuss everything game related here, and even off-topic stuff in the correct place - but similarly having others disagree as part of the discussion is to be expected.

Kindly feel at liberty to ignore me, if you wish, I promise it won't scare or upset me...

 

[Robert Maynard]

As the moderator is in 'normal poster' mode, his role may be discounted (no offence meant @Robert Maynard - you are just 'one of the lads' ATM) and comments treated exactly the same as everyone else's.

Exactly - I was engaged in discussion on this topic long before I was made a moderator.

 

[Deleted member 121570]

Sorry if i missed the shot, looked like it when you wrote the block list thing for me as im considered a ganker....

No, I was just letting you know I'll be blocking you, and thanking you for the opportunity.

I always find these threads useful!

 

[CMDR Lukone]

I need to add another group:

The Forum Police (not talking about Robert or any moderator here)

Hey, you have a search function, dont create threads about a subject that has been discussed thousand times !! The cost money and time...The world never changes so things doent need to be discused again, also dont write books about churches, they have beed wroten thosand times. Also dont create western movies, we have a thousand too...

Editing to add it.

 

[khalismur]

I need to add another group:

The Forum Police (not talking about Robert or any moderator here)

Hey, you have a search function, dont create threads about a subject that has been discussed thousand times !! The cost money and time...The world never changes so things doent need to be discused again, also dont write books about churches, they have beed wroten thosand times. Also dont create western movies, we have a thousand too...

Editing to add it.

Some forum-players have more than 11k posts, some 20k or more and a few even 30k+. That's a lot! Taking a modest 10k posts over 5 years, that's still more than 5 posts per day This says a lot about how much time they actually spend in-game versus being a forum-warrior.

 

[Misty_Dark]

Lets do a fun experiment and translate it to real world.

A thief with a weapon asks for your wallet.

You tell him : "Hey, I dont want to live in the same world as you, you are a PVPer Ganker Mosquito!! I will ask my gods to do a PvE universe!!"

In this case gods attended and create a solo/private group mode for you and a open mode for others.

And heres the problem. Fdev is god here, Neo.

So we talk to them in formus asking for some changes we dont like.

I have no problems with your whale attitude while you should have no problems with my Mosquito interactions.

But if we are going to go by that logic, the multiplayer games are breaking the normal rules... Just explain questing.. how can I go on quest to fetch this unique item, and then you comer along, and get the same quest to fetch the same item I have already collected... Or how can I and y friends kill over 10 000 ships in a system, that has less than 10 000 population? that makes no sense...

Or why do Pilots Federation let their members have the same insurance regardless of what they do to get themselves blown up? Why does not insurance costs go up for those who use it alot compared to those who use it very rarely?

And lastly, in those games where PvP is that we kills eachother, and then we magically respawn, so that we can get killed again, how does that work exactly? In Elite, we have these magical "escape pods" or whjatever they are, that instantly can teleport you several thousands of LY in a second or so...



So be very careful when trying to compare game mechanics to real life.

 

[Achtung-Goomba]

I’m honestly starting to think this is less of a discussion forum and more of a ‘here’s a suggestion I want you to agree with’ forum

For the record, there have been two points raised regarding the in-game justification for offering different rewards for the same activity and transaction, with all other variables the same except for mode choice; and how would you propose to close loopholes allowing smart players to gain any proposed Open-bonus while avoiding any possible interaction with the supposed risk of other players?

Both these points have been raised either by myself (shameless plug, oh my!) or others (you fellow clever-clogs you!) and neither have yet been answered, presumably lost amongst the whale-carebear-ganker white noise of Hotel California.

 

[CMDR Lukone]

I dont think you are in Carebears team AG. I see you more in the communist group and I repeat, im not saying it as an insult, more like a way of life thats nothing bad in it.

I say it because you are against the idea of other people gaining more resources than you because they play open. That bothers you.

Am I right?

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Hey, you have a search function, dont create threads about a subject that has been discussed thousand times !!

You misunderstood my post completely. I was merely explaining to you why your post was treated the way it was. It's a 1927394719 open only bonus thread. It's an 92173947239792749 mode equality thread, and it's the n-th thread about it over the weekend, as we got an influx of new players from the free epic games copies. I understand that for an account registered last friday it might all seem new, but... sorry it isn't. I'd like a dollar from each post in open only thread, that would net more profits than the current gamestop reddit affair

It's just same old, same old and the only one time a real dev (game designer) was merely considering changing the rules (and for Powerplay only) it was met with such a vehement resistance, that they backed away from that very quickly and never spoke about it again.

But hey, you're free to post, I don't care if it's the n+1th thread about it, it's entertaining, and the smell of fresh forum accounts is... intoxicating

 

[Nadreck]

Looks like there are still people who insist that BGS conflicts are all about rival teams of players shooting each other in Open.

If that's what you want to do, then that's fine (though the effect on the BGS might not be what you intend, and PowerPlay might be more suitable for that activity). But serious problems arise when those players start arrogantly declaring that this is the "proper" way to play, and start demanding bonuses or other favourable treatment.

What if I'm trying to flip a quiet backwater system on my own, in Solo, and I'm up against another player trying to do the same thing? At present, this would be a fair contest. But if there was a bonus for doing it in Open? Neither of us wants to do that, but how can either of us trust the other not to do it, and gain an unfair advantage?

So we'd both be pretty much forced into Open, against our will. We'd both have to put up with network issues (my Internet is somewhat flaky) and the possibility of being interrupted by some purple-haired murderhobo who has no interest in the actual contest at all. And not just strangers trying to blow us up, but also strangers trying to chat with us, when we're really not interested in that (I play ED to be alone for awhile).

All because some other players are too lazy or incompetent to play fairly, and win or lose based on their own efforts, and want special bonuses to help them.

 

[Taifu]

AAAAHHHHHH

GAAAAAHHHHHH

DOO DOO DOO

push pineapple, shake a tree.....

 

[Rat Catcher]

Some forum-players have more than 11k posts, some 20k or more and a few even 30k+. That's a lot! Taking a modest 10k posts over 5 years, that's still more than 5 posts per day This says a lot about how much time they actually spend in-game versus being a forum-warrior.

Amazing maths skills...
Don't you have either PC or Laptop & Tablet then? (or even all 3?)

Nothing to be even the least bothered about though, is there? As long as you are content with how much time you put into activities you enjoy too

 

[CMDR Lukone]

Looks like there are still people who insist that BGS conflicts are all about rival teams of players shooting each other in Open.

If that's what you want to do, then that's fine (though the effect on the BGS might not be what you intend, and PowerPlay might be more suitable for that activity). But serious problems arise when those players start arrogantly declaring that this is the "proper" way to play, and start demanding bonuses or other favourable treatment.

What if I'm trying to flip a quiet backwater system on my own, in Solo, and I'm up against another player trying to do the same thing? At present, this would be a fair contest. But if there was a bonus for doing it in Open? Neither of us wants to do that, but how can either of us trust the other not to do it, and gain an unfair advantage?

So we'd both be pretty much forced into Open, against our will. We'd both have to put up with network issues (my Internet is somewhat flaky) and the possibility of being interrupted by some purple-haired murderhobo who has no interest in the actual contest at all. And not just strangers trying to blow us up, but also strangers trying to chat with us, when we're really not interested in that (I play ED to be alone for awhile).

All because some other players are too lazy or incompetent to play fairly, and win or lose based on their own efforts, and want special bonuses to help them.

But you have the solo mode "to be alone for a while" as you want.

Whats the problem then in changing the rewards of people who plays Open?

 

[Achtung-Goomba]

I dont think you are in Carebears team AG. I see you more in the communist group and I repeat, im not saying it as an insult, more like a way of life thats nothing bad in it.

I say it because you are against the idea of other people gaining more resources than you because they play open. That bothers you.

Am I right?

No you’re only somewhat right, I simply want to hear the in-game justification for such a bonus to Open play. If you’re approaching the issue from ‘I want my living galaxy to be more alive and immersive’ it’s an important point, I feel.

Furthermore, examples have been demonstrated of ways to game such an Open-bonus to gain the extra rewards, without ever actually exposing oneself to the supposed extra risk of Open play; I could disappear into uncharted space for a month, remain in Open, ride a friendly carrier back with millions or even billions of cartographic data and dump it on a station(s) of my choosing without ever encountering another player or any sort of extra risk, and receive any and all bonus rewards in credits, materials or BGS influence. In short, just about anyone could exploit it to the point of breaking it.

I may disagree with your suggestion but I am trying to engage with you in discussion about it, and I see that neither of these two very relevant points have been addressed. Instead, some appear to insult and/or belittle the gameplay of others who have no desire to play with you. We’d get a lot further in ‘discussion’ if someone who supports your proposal could clarify the two points I have raised.