Nobody changes their mind on such a firm conviction in a matter of a few pages in an online debate. Nobody. That doesn't happen.
He simply waved the white flag.
PvP Flag in Open Play for NOPVP players.
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Nobody changes their mind on such a firm conviction in a matter of a few pages in an online debate. Nobody. That doesn't happen.
He simply waved the white flag.
He made three posts saying I was at fault for not going back and reading his posts that I had missed.
So no, this isn't flaming or anything of the sort. I have no more or less expectations of him than those he himself placed on me in this very thread.
I'd disagree; the type of person who'd flag themselves NoPVP would more likely just be in Solo or PG anyway if this option wasn't implemented.
Im simply waving my pirate flag arrr o wait he doesn't want pvp interaction in the ONLY mode that has PVP.
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People change their minds all the time Jigs, perhaps that's the bit you cant understand and why you have made another assumption about how it has happened.
At it stands thats is quite true, these nopvp players would be in pg/solo but my point is if there was a flag system in open then every trader would use it making pvp piracy near impossible to do at the cg. The op states that this wouldn't damage pvp.
Yeah, but Jigs aint down with pirates, you're a problem that needs fixing.
There’s no neat and tidy way to blend modes or switch to Open-only play without a significant portion of the player base erupting. Maybe in the next version of Elite if that’s ever going to be a thing, and then only if it’s carefully planned that way from the design stage.
The only way Open-only could be achieved in Elite Dangerous is if the PvP play became insanely engaging, polished, and balanced, such that all participants in a PvP encounter, whether they be geared for combat or not, will almost always have an interesting experience, with more and better choices in any scenario. If that were done so well that almost no one continued to choose to play in Solo or PG modes, those modes could be switched off, leaving only Open play.
But that is never going to happen, so it is what it is, and players must needs compromise and use the existing modes that work best for them.
The only way Open-only could be achieved in Elite Dangerous is if the PvP play became insanely engaging, polished, and balanced, such that all participants in a PvP encounter, whether they be geared for combat or not, will almost always have an interesting experience, with more and better choices in any scenario. If that were done so well that almost no one continued to choose to play in Solo or PG modes, those modes could be switched off, leaving only Open play.
But that is never going to happen, so it is what it is, and players must needs compromise and use the existing modes that work best for them.
I see, well, i guess he wouldn't believe me that some people actually enjoy getting pirated.
If you found someone who did say that, it would most likely be concluded that they were bullied into saying they enjoyed it.
If piracy was fair, fun, and balanced for all you would have zero fear of this "career" changing because nobody would turn their PVP flag off during a CG. They would have a blast with you as your "role play" your way to stealing all their hard work or whatever it is you do.
As it is those who don't wish to engage in this behavior with the "pirates", are just in solo or PG's already anyway. While those who enjoy it, as you and ThePirate just said, are already in Open. So where does this idea bring about a sea-change in ANYTHING?
I really would like an answer but this isn't my first rodeo with you, so I know I won't get it.
Is there any proof of this?
How is PvP piracy unbalanced?
Do you even have a clue what your talking about?
No, there is no proof players enjoy being made content of. It is in fact quite a bold claim.
I guess if I have to explain the joy of being interdicted in a cargo ship by a fully-fitted PVP ship may make one feel quite on the shorter end of the stick, this is already too far gone to be reasonable.
Also please answer MY questions first. Scroll up. What does this idea personally change for you as a pirate? People are actively avoiding you right now by playing in Solo or PG's. While those who don't avoid you, are in open already anyway.
So what changes for you???
Having done some, PvP piracy is probably more fun for the victim than the pirate 90% of the time. Hitting groms, negotiating, and if necessary disabling, is much harder for the pirate given killing them defeats the point. Similarly, the pirate has to deal with serial cloggers, people that wake immediately, and people that try to fight back, while doing so without destroying them.
Consider learning more about Piracy before offering an opinion.
You have a really interesting idea of "fun" lol. I'll say that for you. To parrot the crowd here, where's your evidence for that statement?
Except a Pirate ship is so incredibly different from a PvP ship? I cant spend internals on HRPs/SCBs, and instead have to use them for cargo, collectors, hatch breakers. Also can't use high DPS weapons or else accidentally killing them could be an issue. I suspect you dont understand how pvp piracy works.
The fact that the people who play in open no longer have anything to lose by switching pvp mode off? Traders would get all the benefit and none of the cost, while PvPers, Pirates, and similar would bear the entire cost.
In short, Piracy is fun because it offers them a surmountable challenge and roleplay opportunity. By removing the risk from hauling, you lose all of that from people who have never been pirated before and not realized that it can be an enjoyable and exciting experience.