Simple answer is he can't be trusted. He was really abrasive at lavecon towards the devs. He's just generally not a nice person to be around and that's from being around him at several of the bigger events. One of those people who thinks they're better than others and that the rules don't apply to them. As a streamer he's ok I guess if you like that sort of thing but honestly the reason he probably hasn't got anything from Frontier is because he really doesn't deserve it or warrent it for his past indescresions.
Give Yamiks an Alpha key!
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2 people have now referenced that video, both of whom I trust have values aligned with my own.
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I don’t think it’s about controlling the content of the message, it’s about controlling the tone of the message; I’ve only watched a few bits of his videos after following this thread and anything he has to say is drowned out by his very un-family friendly character. I’ve heard long time subscribers of his say he used to be funnier, which might be the case, but a random sampling of some of his videos include a fair amount of language that is not what I would like to support the expansion launch, either officially or unofficially.
Furthermore, as others have repeatedly observed, he’s simply been denied preferential early-access for his stream. He can still buy and stream to his heart’s content, so he’s hardly been censored or silenced. He’s just been told he’s a naughty boy and isn’t getting free sweeties.
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I'm definitely the most positively toxic negative shill hater!
Also, what a thread!!
There's a few pieces of misinfo I want to clear up:
1) I haven't been given any pre-access to the Odyssey Alpha. The first time I play it will be the same time as everyone else.
2) As far as I know, this is the same for all YouTubers and Streamers.
3) My understanding is that pre-alpha access keys are not a thing for Odyssey. I've no idea if the press will have access, but from what I am hearing (whispers from people etc.) the press will not have pre-alpha access.
That covers the misinfo on pre-alpha access.
Here's something regarding game keys and YouTubers / Streamers.
1) There's a website called Keymailer.co
2) Companies place their game on this website.
3) YouTubers / Streamers can go to the website and request a key for any game that is on the site.
4) The game dev / studio / publisher then decides whether or not to grant a key. Often they do.
5) YouTubers / Streamers getting "free" copies of a game is extremely common and has been going on for years.
6) There are usually no obligations on behalf of the YouTuber / Streamer when accepting these keys.
7) Sometimes keys come with an embargo date.
8) Frontier use Keymailer, just like many other companies.
9) Keymailer is one of the most common methods for YouTubers / Streamers to obtain a key. But it's not the only method.
10) Quite often a company will directly contact a YouTuber / Streamer "Here's a free key, please make a video!". Some people will accept the key and make a video. Many will not. For me personally, I very rarely take these offers.
That hopefully gives some context to how keys are given out.
On a final note, a company giving out a "free copy of a game", is very little financial incentive to a "content creator". It might be an incentive for very small channels, but for anyone with a few thousand subs, it's unlikely to sway them much.
"Pre-release access" is certainly a nice thing for content creators. But it's not always a thing that happens. Some people will go all out and give positive coverage in return. Other people are more balanced and will look at both the positive and negative aspects of any game, even if they are lucky enough to get pre-release access. Regardless, that's not an issue for Odyssey, as no one is being given pre-release alpha access.
Finally, another note on "free keys". A free key costs a studio very little. Meanwhile a paid video costs a studio a lot of money. In short, a company getting videos in return for a "free copy of a game", is getting a lot of very, very cheap coverage for their title. For studios it's a great win.
PS: I purchased my own copy of Odyssey.
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Simple solution here: just buy Yamiks alpha access and then you both can unisono critise Odyssey ... I see it as win win scenario
Thanx, I hate it
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I am actually far more inclined to purchase Odyssey now than I was before this debacle.
Well maybe you could find a better one? Or, even better, start thinking about it yourself? Once you start digging into the common knowledge it quickly becomes very blurry. That is why philosophers are really good at asking questions, but rarely have an answer. Seriously, you'll be surprised at how many things we think we know, but really don't know. A good small exercise is trying to figure out what makes something "beautiful". That should be pretty straight forward, because most people claim to be able to judge beautiful from ugly, but it turns out that none of them can explain why they think so.Yes, that's probably why I said that (one) dictionary definition of "civilized" is polite and well-mannered.
I really appreciate you taking the time to make that post, It was very helpful. Thanks.
Dude, he explicitly says the devs should be '[REDACTED]'. If that is normal communication to you and you dont get why those devs mentioned prefer to not work with him I dont know what to tell you.
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Has anyone brought up his first amendment rights yet?
Is that shorthand for "I disagree strongly with your design rationale on this matter?"
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Thats toilet humor. Its not discriminating against any individuals sexual preference.
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No, but seriously speaking, I once again fail to see the relevance of these philosophical musings to Yamiks not getting a key because of his style of representation in the Youtube.
Maybe it's very polite in Latvia. I'll try it out on my next visit to Riga.
IKR??Makes as much sense as the rest of this thread
lol
I removed and canceled it, but computer said 'no'
Oh, Mod said no too
You are dodging the simply question I asked you. In any case, the video has been removed because it violates community guidelines. That should tell you all.
No its not normal communication and it makes perfect sense why they didn't give him a free key.
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Once again, your lack of understanding is not a good argument
No, but seriously speaking, I once again fail to see the relevance of these philosophical musings to Yamiks not getting a key because of his style of representation in the Youtube.
In the first three and a half minutes, to coyly refer to what I feel is inappropriate, he drops two distinctly homophobic ‘bombs’ to refer to the design or fictional designers of the ship he’s reviewing. Whether he meant it offensively or not, as part of his ‘shock-jock’ act, and I don’t believe he’s a genuinely homophobic character from my brief watchings, that sort of pejorative has been used deliberately and offensively since the days of the ancient Greeks, and likely before. In this day and age you should be able to express your freedom of speech without using words and phrases without having to resort to words and phrases you know full well many people find insensitive and insulting, especially when you use them in a context meant to insult even a fictional and faceless character. The language he is using very competently is far richer than his immature vocabulary suggests, but he has consciously chosen that character it would seem for better, in terms of his subscriber numbers, and for worse as this PR train wreck has demonstrated.
In the interests of honesty, I’ve only briefly dipped into a few of his videos because of this forum-storm; he’s not my cup of tea at the best of times it would appear, but it didn’t take me long to encounter language I’m not surprised FDev want little to do with promoting Odyssey, regardless of the context.
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