What are your rules for someone being an acceptable contributor to this thread then?
Just do what you do. we ll figure it out together ^^ And the mods will step in when either of us overdoes it ^^
What are your rules for someone being an acceptable contributor to this thread then?
At which point would you give up on Star Citizen?What are the rules for not being a "whitenight" ?
You might like to go back and read post #21,423, Ronzer suggested that in another two years i might become wary of SC and stop putting my own money in, and then i would be one of you. i told him i had already got to that stage so i was already one of you, it was nothing more than a friendly exchange between me and Ronzer, which he appreciated. as did i.
I did ask, so to speak, and i appreciate your input, for which i think i have already thanked you? I'm not interested in the politics you may have had with others about this, i'm not those others, its nothing to do with me.
Heh. It is like that thing where adults do adult things on screen. Nobody can define it, and yet everyone knows it when they see it. But let me try anyway. I am not saying that you are doing it, I am only trying to define what I would classify as CIG whiteknighting.What are the rules for not being a "whitenight" ?
That propably depends on readers of your posts. There are no hard rules, but typically people form their opinion about you, based on your posts.
At which point would you give up on Star Citizen?
Yeah, lets think about that old adage especially liked in Spectrum, "mile wide inch deep". Lets take for example stuff I least like in ED, combat, and particularly PVP combat. There are enormous number of combinations of ships, weaponry, engineering, experimental effects one could use, some are better some are worse, some are "meta" but in reality even those meta solutions are not perfect ones but need certain playstyle and so on. Afficionados even in these forums argue about those possibilities. And in highly technical way. Very inch deep indeed. And that is just ship build part of that.Otherwise, by all means enjoy SC, play it with friends, enjoy ED, play it with friends. Debunk the criticism with sources you can find on your own. Treat the conversation like a ride and enjoy it as well, just like both games. Check if you don't find yourself too invested. If your position becomes something you could be paid for, think about stopping.
- "The Unprecedented Scope". Do not use this phrase. Like, never. Star Citizen is not that unique. It has two things going for it currently - the mixture of graphical details mixed with planets you can land on, and ship interiors. To the detriment of everything else. Most systems are broken, underdeveloped, sub-par or at most standard. It is still an empty arena sandbox. Now compare it to ED - a graphically dated, grindy, sometimes frustratingly simplistic and undercooked thing. But it has one thing that SC will never achieve - the scale. 400 B stars. You look at a star, you can go there. You find a place in an obscure part of the lore, you can go there. You travel to the edge of Milky Way - you can see it. It is an explorer's dream, with all the tedium real-life exploration entails. It also offers working economy, background political simulation, aliens and tiny bit of influence every player can have on the ongoing narrative. And all of that at about 20% of SC's budget. This is why the scope argument is silly particularly on the ED forum. Scope is a multi-dimensional thing, after all.
When it is published. Not early acces, not "alpha" and so on.At what point do we think it is a game?
I think you meant - "Do you have an SSD?"I never had any problems with Odyssey, NEVER. Always rock solid 877 frames per second, buttery smooth and so beautiful its hurts.
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At what point do we think it is a game?
Funnily enough, CIG treat SC as both - a testing pre-alhpa and a playable game. Depending on the context and what fits the narrative on that particular day best.Yeah thats an easy one. When CIG calls it a game and not early playable Alpha, when they release it as a game and say this is it the final product / the MVP / the start of something / the base game we will build on and iterate on. However they release or whatever they release or whatever exists in it or doesn't. When they set a release date and publish 'the game'. When they stand up and say this is it, its released as a game. Its all on their terms when they do that and the players and press can judge it at that point for what it is, not what it will be (CP 2077 / NMS at release heck even Fallout 76 - all slated at launch remember but developed and won fans back).
But we are still waiting for SC Beta. As defined by CIG.
CIG sets the definitions here, nobody can change that and right now they call it an early access Alpha so thats what it is. It may or may bot be playable as an Alpha, but CIG call it that and they should know.
sidestepped the whole question.When i get bored of playing it.
Yeah thats an easy one. When CIG calls it a game and not early playable Alpha, when they release it as a game and say this is it the final product / the MVP / the start of something / the base game we will build on and iterate on. However they release or whatever they release or whatever exists in it or doesn't. When they set a release date and publish 'the game'. When they stand up and say this is it, its released as a game. Its all on their terms when they do that and the players and press can judge it at that point for what it is, not what it will be (CP 2077 / NMS at release heck even Fallout 76 - all slated at launch remember but developed and won fans back).
But we are still waiting for SC Beta. As defined by CIG.
CIG sets the definitions here, nobody can change that and right now they call it an early access Alpha so thats what it is. It may or may bot be playable as an Alpha, but CIG call it that and they should know.
sidestepped the whole question.
So there is nothing that could happen that would make you go "you know what? This is it, I ve had it with this project". an eternal "i m having fun, this is fine" attitude?
I find it interesting to think about these things because it provides me with borders and limits in turn helping me to live my life. There are of course things I constantly re-adjust in order to keep going but I m not sure Star Citizen is such an example. Getting old is. I never thought much about getting old or what it entails. Nowadays I wake up with issues that never were problems before or aquire maladies that I used to think of "old peoples problems" before forcing me to admit to myself that I m past my prime days. I m not old....just not as young as I was 20 years ago. But go back 20 years and ask me how I d see people of that age.....a truth I m having to accept and face today.
We had people who said that Star Citizen not being out by 2020 would be their "ceiling" when it comes to acceptance. I wonder what these people do today. Are they out as they said or did they find new reasons to keep going? How far down the rabbid hole did they have to go in order to keep going?
So the "get out of jail card" you propose (at least what I read here) is the "because I m having fun" which is pretty much the endpoint. You having fun doesnt provide any empirical evidence for SCs qualities and is next to worthless when others try to figure out what SC is and is not. Thousands of hours playing and thats the best you can do?
Dont get me wrong. I have games of my own which I played for hundreds and thousands of hours but if somebody would ask me "why" or what it would take to stop playing I think I could come up with a better answer...provided I d care but then....why post here in the first place if you dont? Very possible that your reasons will still not convince others but at least they might make your stance understandable
But with your answer I guess CiG openly lying and deceiving its backers is a-okay as long as you enjoy playing the game. Possble that you dont want to take that look but its still happening....thats what we talk about mostly in this place.
What does that mean? Beyond "not giving (more) money" there isn't any true active contribution anyway. You don't have to make any definitive judgement call either way. Think there is already fun to be had? Play it, like Mole and Sovapid. Dont like it (yet)? Check back later. No need to join a tribe.At which point would you give up on Star Citizen?
So it's a game whenever CIG says it is 'V1'. That makes it a completely arbitrary term and useless in discussions. Like Valheim, among the most played and succesfull games, would not have been even a game at all because it's 'early access'.When it is published. Not early acces, not "alpha" and so on.
Early access is early acces. It is software in development not a game or application, anything can be changed by whim of developer.So it's a game whenever CIG says it is 'V1'. That makes it a completely arbitrary term and useless in discussions. Like Valheim, among the most played and succesfull games, would not have been even a game at all because it's 'early access'.
What are your rules for someone being an acceptable contributor to this thread then?