New Planet Tech is KILLER of Exploration (all terrain is tiling/repeating/not procedural/random)

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Odyssey - Optimisation/Performance and UI (Galaxy & System Map) Feedback

Greetings Commanders, First of all, we’d like to thank all of you for supporting us throughout Odyssey’s development and at launch. For those of you who have access to the expansion and are able to play without issues, we hope you’re enjoying yourselves! That said, we are aware of some...
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Milkman76

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winston said:
Because you were burned by buying high and selling low? (Nearly anyone who cashed out at the start of the century was selling low or had been gambling with dotcom stocks and got burned).
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I got burned? No. I walked away with 100% of my principal before I lost anything and my other stocks were not vested, but others (the "observed" part of my comment) sure didn't. I learned from them, and from history.

It is not possible to talk about the cause of product failures such as this one without honestly talking about the root cause - investor financial expectations. If you fail to talk about the root cause, you just wind up sounding like you are blaming workers or looking for a reason that forgives those who truly caused the issue.
 

Phoenix195

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Using repeating textures is one of the oldest tricks in the book. In theatre, you have the same rock, just oriented differently. In cinema you have legions of cardboard cutout extras when you had no humans around. In Terminator 2 and a bajillion other movies you had those identical twin actors that were in EVERY movie where you need an identical twin faceoff....

In No Man's Sky, all the fauna is almost the same on all the planets. Obviously generated using an algorithm using repeated elements.

In Nature, ferns are fractals with repeated leaf elements. Personally speaking I would rather see these multi-coloured planets than in Horizons with its bland single colour planets any day.

If they can do something more creative with the height maps I think they are on to a winner.
 

Agrar Therenus

Agrar Therenus
Tenuem said:
You are actually saying that there is only the possibility that you are "right" and we can´t disagree because you are "right" and there is no way around it?

Nice.



This again and again and again? It is no contention point as there is no repeating patterns in that SPECIFIC example which just so happens to be the one you posted.But even if there were, let me phrase it again for you. Copy & Paste: The issue is happening randomly across the board and has been reported.



You are not "imagining" things, it is called pareidolia. It is not rude but rather it is a very real condition.




"Others and myself" you say...you actually single yourself out like that?

You know, the others can very well continue their discussion without having you ramming your opinion down their throats?

But in the case you do want to have a "discussion" then here is a friendly non-rude advice: In a discussion, expect others to disagree and your view of things to not be the all-truth. Since you mentioned yourself: "It's not an opinion if repeating patterns exist on Wyrd 2B, so no we can't disagree on this point.".



Hey, careful with what you say...they might come for you now.



Ah, but this is excellent. That having an opposite view than others and "discussing" it on a "discussion forum" is to be dubbed "trolling".

But go for it, alas, I have seen it all so far. I will echo a fellow "troll":




I appreciate the quote though, here is one of my favourite for the exchange:

""If sheep do not have the constant care of a shepherd, they will go the wrong way, unaware of the dangers at hand. They have been known to nibble themselves right off the side of a mountain..... And so, because sheep are sheep, they need shepherds to care for them. The welfare of sheep depends solely upon the care they get from their shepherd. Therefore, the better the shepherd, the healthier the sheep." ~ Kay Arthur"
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Well I'm not letting you get away with that, as in quote mining and selecting the 'best' sentences isolated and out of context to make me look the worst.

"It's not an opinion if repeating patterns exist on Wyrd 2B, so no we can't disagree on this point." I then went on to show evidence.

What this actually means, and I deliberately worded that to not use 'I' or 'me', is it doesn't matter what either of us think, or anyone else for that matter. Some things just ARE or ARE NOT. You don't seem to appreciate not everything is in fact opinion. Either there are patterns on certain planets or not. I present the evidence to the positive, and now let it stand.
It's like a cow in a field. It's a cow in a field or it isn't-- and I'm frankly not going to take it as someone's 'opinion' that it's actually a donkey on a skateboard. That person is in fact entitled to think that, but are they in fact correct? Again, let's allow the world to judge.

I honestly don't know what to say about your strange tangent about me apparently 'singling myself out' as if there's some kind of ego thing going on. To me saying 'myself and others' really is quite a normal statement that stands on face value.

In my 'specific' example anyway? It's the SAME planet as on the bug report, or do you think by some magic my version doesn't have them? Can anyone see the repeating patterns, or do I need to bring out the interstellar chickens for a second time?
 

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CMDR Fnool

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dannysquid said:
Use copy-and-pasting by all means. The important thing is that we shouldn't notice the game doing it!
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Personally i'd be more comfortable with copy/paste inside the bubble and near it, for wherever there are man-made structures around, but further out than that i really feel this 'noise' people talk about should take over, because the joy of exploration is to find unique things, and it really would defeat the purpose if you took screenshots of a mountain range 80k light years away, only to find the exact same thing had been replicated on planets inside the bubble. I have more hope than i did for the future of exploration in Odyssey after speaking to this seasoned explorer, but time will tell as always.
 

Erei

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CMDR Fnool said:
Personally i'd be more comfortable with copy/paste inside the bubble and near it, for wherever there are man-made structures around, but further out than that i really feel this 'noise' people talk about should take over, because the joy of exploration is to find unique things, and it really would defeat the purpose if you took screenshots of a mountain range 80k light years away, only to find the exact same thing had been replicated on planets inside the bubble. I have more hope than i did for the future of exploration in Odyssey after speaking to this seasoned explorer, but time will tell as always.
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Why should we have worst tech now than in Horizon ? It worked in Horizon. We didn't see the repetition. Why do we have to settle for a "copy and paste" in the bubble, when we used to have better ?
It was advertised as a tech upgrade.
 

MCCART

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Not only do they repeat ON planets, they appear to repeat across planets and systems. The asset circled in green appears in just about every cap I've seen on the subject.
 
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Agrar Therenus

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Lucian Arkright said:
I'll help.
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You've found more than I did. It seems my imagination isn't as vivid as I like to think.

Oh sorry, it's not imagination, it's pareidolia.

"Pareidolia (/ˌpæriˈdoʊliə/, US also /ˌpæraɪˈ-/) is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous visual stimulus (so that one sees an object, pattern or meaning where in fact there is none)."

'Imposing' meaningful interpretation, or '..pattern or meaning where in fact there is none." hasn't anything to do with imagining things that aren't really there.
 
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Tenuem

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Rat Catcher said:
I was laughing when I wrote my post, and also when I have just read your own! Excellent!

The best person to ridicule is oneself, no-one can take umbrage at it ;)

Incidentally: I used to have 5 pet sheep - they lived long and healthy lives as mobile grass cutters (and fertiliser spreaders) - they can recognise different humans, and would all vacate to their 'shed' whenever the vet came calling, or the shearer...
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Welcome to the club of "those who don´t take your posts seriously". I am glad you are having fun.

Agrar Therenus said:
Well I'm not letting you get away with that, as in quote mining and selecting the 'best' sentences isolated and out of context to make me look the worst.
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The issue at hand with Odysseys´ planetary generation impacts us all as purchasers, fans and enjoyers of this expansion that we all so clearly want to see succeed. It is certainly beyond your personal prejudices and biased views towards those that do not share your opinion for a...VERY SPECIFIC CASE. Your comment is again completely out of place.
Agrar Therenus said:
"It's not an opinion if repeating patterns exist on Wyrd 2B, so no we can't disagree on this point." I then went on to show evidence.

What this actually means, and I deliberately worded that to not use 'I' or 'me', is it doesn't matter what either of us think, or anyone else for that matter. Some things just ARE or ARE NOT. You don't seem to appreciate not everything is in fact opinion. Either there are patterns on certain planets or not. I present the evidence to the positive, and now let it stand.
It's like a cow in a field. It's a cow in a field or it isn't-- and I'm frankly not going to take it as someone's 'opinion' that it's actually a donkey on a skateboard. That person is in fact entitled to think that, but are they in fact correct? Again, let's allow the world to judge.
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Here you go again, stating that your personal view is the only one truth. You do realise that what you consider "undeniable fact" can be quite the opposite for others. In a scenario of trying to discern random patterns from a supposed planetary surface, you can very well have differing opinions on their structure, form, meaning, etc...

Never mind the cow on the field, if you tell me that the spots of the cow make the shape of Russia I may very well disagree.

Agrar Therenus said:
In my 'specific' example anyway? It's the SAME planet as on the bug report, or do you think by some magic my version doesn't have them? Can anyone see the repeating patterns, or do I need to bring out the interstellar chickens for a second time?
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VR Lucian Arkright

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Tenuem said:
Welcome to the club of "those who don´t take your posts seriously". I am glad you are having fun.



The issue at hand with Odysseys´ planetary generation impacts us all as purchasers, fans and enjoyers of this expansion that we all so clearly want to see succeed. It is certainly beyond your personal prejudices and biased views towards those that do not share your opinion for a...VERY SPECIFIC CASE. Your comment is again completely out of place.


Here you go again, stating that your personal view is the only one truth. You do realise that what you consider "undeniable fact" can be quite the opposite for others. In a scenario of trying to discern random patterns from a supposed planetary surface, you can very well have differing opinions on their structure, form, meaning, etc...

Never mind the cow on the field, if you tell me that the spots of the cow make the shape of Russia I may very well disagree.



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Stop being facetious.
 

Amy Pendergast

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Tenuem said:
Welcome to the club of "those who don´t take your posts seriously". I am glad you are having fun.



The issue at hand with Odysseys´ planetary generation impacts us all as purchasers, fans and enjoyers of this expansion that we all so clearly want to see succeed. It is certainly beyond your personal prejudices and biased views towards those that do not share your opinion for a...VERY SPECIFIC CASE. Your comment is again completely out of place.


Here you go again, stating that your personal view is the only one truth. You do realise that what you consider "undeniable fact" can be quite the opposite for others. In a scenario of trying to discern random patterns from a supposed planetary surface, you can very well have differing opinions on their structure, form, meaning, etc...

Never mind the cow on the field, if you tell me that the spots of the cow make the shape of Russia I may very well disagree.



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Just for the lols, evidence != personal opinion.

And if you don't see the tiling in the screens posted last, I would really suggest some glasses (sorry, sounds more rude than it is meant :) ).

The cats and chickens in there were just for the laughs and as "markers" to see the repeating patterns for the peeps not so good at pattern recognition.
 
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