What? People like and dislike what they want. I thought we were talking about outsiders looking in.
Yong Yeas take on Elite Dangerous Odyssey (Not Good)
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Him and pretty much the entire gaming press industry. But as long as we post positive things in these forums it'll all be ok right?
I do agree completely that the community definitly needs more thoughtful criticism.
Right... and what's the solution? To say, "but I like it and you should too?" Here? In these forums?
Ah, now I see where I was unclear. When I said "in the comments", I meant the comment section of that video.
Got it. In any case, telling people to buy this expansion is not a good idea.
i think fdev has all of the market they're going to get out of the die hards already. Sure, there's always new ones being born into the market, but that growth rate is low. The ROI shrinking. The majority of odyssey sales at first will be from existing elite players but that will end soon and this expansion is meant to try and grow the game's market, not re-tap it.
That's why they really wanted to focus on fps that was basically totally independent and could ignore the space flying aspect rather than integrated in and interdependent. They wanted to be able to tap into the FPS market that was kinda interested in space sims but not enough to really play a space sim game that was just space simming the whole time.
The on foot gameplay is fdev's way of breaking out of the limited space combat/sim genre's niche. Unfortunately it's like a year too underdeveloped and getting horrible reviews and all of these players they were fishing for have a ton of alternatives they can play instead. Competition is not something fdev has had to really deal with in ED before.
Yea, there is nms, but it's not direct competition. Yea, there is kerbal space program, but that too isn't direct competition. The closest thing to ED is star citizen and x4. But the reality is, most of the space combat sim market has purchased all of these games (or all of the ones that overlap their interest). So even when they are competing, they're not really competing and the market is not a high growth market.
That's not going to happen for their fps market. they have to be able to really compete against other first person shooters. You have to convince fps players to buy it, not existing elite dangerous players. We'll see how successful they are over the course of the year.
One can only hope they learn to stop releasing things before they're ready and not that it doesn't matter.
Yeah, I told them to wait in the conclusion of my post.
The simple fact remains people's opinions on Odyssey really don't matter, but neither do people's opinions on others having opinions. I'm not sure why people are unable to see that obvious hypocrisy.
What matters is action. If people don't like something they should boycott it. The problem with Odyssey is people weren't given a chance to do that if they preordered it. It was a beta release at best, and even David Braben has acknowledged this through an apology. These are simply facts. YongYea simply reads articles and posts. He's giving people who might not play ED the news, the way an anchorman would, with very little fluff or opinion wedged in.
Will it get patched? Yes. It isn't necessarily the end of the game as more dramatic people suggest. But do people have a right to be angry and agree with others who are angry, especially since game devs have been doing this crap for years? YES.
What matters is action. If people don't like something they should boycott it. The problem with Odyssey is people weren't given a chance to do that if they preordered it. It was a beta release at best, and even David Braben has acknowledged this through an apology. These are simply facts. YongYea simply reads articles and posts. He's giving people who might not play ED the news, the way an anchorman would, with very little fluff or opinion wedged in.
Will it get patched? Yes. It isn't necessarily the end of the game as more dramatic people suggest. But do people have a right to be angry and agree with others who are angry, especially since game devs have been doing this crap for years? YES.
Never said you were some white knight. Look, it seems to me there's a lack of understanding on just how serious this bungled release is. This could be the start of a long, and slow decline of ED, that ultimately will end it. It's red alert time, and the entire community should be providing feedback on improvements. Defending this objectively horrible release will only dig ourselves further into the possibility of FD deciding to stop investing in the game.
So you defended the game, but then told people not to buy it. That is the ultimate issue here. No matter the side, everyone seems to think it's best to wait. That means this game is in a very bad way.
Keep in mind though, that this number is highly misleading.
Elite dangerous had 3.5 million base game sales as of the second quarter of 2020 and only about 1.5 million horizon sales on top of that. Not all of which are paying full price. Then the epic store gave away millions - each used account of those freebies is a negative profit until they purchase full price items to offset the cost they have on the servers.
Many of those if not most were dupe accounts for existing players.
They dont have 12 million different people with the game installed, they have 12 million units sold and that is a cumulative count of base game + horizons addon regardless of the price actually paid. I'm not sure if that count also includes a unit (for accounting purposes as a free sale) to all non-horizon licenses when that rolled into those with the base game.
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Hmmm yeah but
Does hope really spring eternal?
I said it's not OMG ruined and unfixable for months if not years, like YY said at one point of his video, and it's being fixed and getting better, but that it's best to wait a bit if one is unsure. There is no need to be so dramatic.
"each used account of those freebies is a negative profit until they purchase full price items to offset the cost they have on the servers." Epic are the ones who take a hit on their free games, not the developers. Epic pays for that and is part of their long term business model. Irregardless, 5 million game sales is not a small number, and retreating to the idea that this game is for a small community and is somehow insulated from market and media perceptions/demands is ignoring objective reality.
Not being dramatic, just calling it like it is. FD want people to buy more units. They need the profit going into the end of the FY. If the response was positive and the community liked what was delivered they would have sold more units. The fact is, they are not. This is a hit on the entire title. So actually, am I being a little dramatic, yes. Because I love elite and this is not a small issue. It's a major problem for ED and FD, and the future development of the game. If they can't move units on a major expansion that was years in development, then why would investors want more of this?
He’s had more views of his video in the past hour or so then there are total reviews for odyssey on Steam. He’s just hitting 104,000 views. It really doesn’t matter if you know him or not. He is getting a massive amount of views very quickly.
Eh, I still think they could attract more NMS/KSP type players with some relatively minor changes (certainly less work than Odyssey).
Honestly though, I don't think it's the "space combat sim" being a niche thing that is the problem as much as the forced MMO and lack of mods. Online only open world sandbox type games without mods are almost all shallow and grindy. That is unfortunately a bigger problem to solve. I would have been a day 1 purchaser of a single player ED... instead I didn't bother with the game until I got it on sale for 4 bucks last year almost solely because they decided to make it a MMO.
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