General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Arry said:
30%.

30% is the average; which 'average' they are referring to, I am not sure of. However: It is a bit like, half full or half empty, kind kind of thing. Your glass appears to always be; half empty.

I have had the 1st jab of the OAZ vaccine. So now I am more protected, than I was. Still feel drained and tired. The latest strain, (no longer the Indian strain) is not the only one, out there, waiting for me to catch it. I understand, that there are 1.000s of strains out there, no matter, because I am a little more protected, that I was before, from all of them.

That said. Just to quench your half empty cause. Two of the people who died in the Bolton area hospitals last week, had had both their jabs. No one said, which jabs and it doesn't really matter, they are obviously fell into the percentage of, 'the failure to protect.'
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For me 30% is not half (empty or full)

In addition, researchers from the Institut Pasteur say that AZ works very little or even not at all against Indian and South African variants.

Very little or not at all does not represent 30% but 10% or 0% for me.

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Gortron said:
I don’t know how I missed this one. That’s insane, someone may have had serious side effects after having a vaccine so they randomly restrict the use to over 40s?

It’s like the U.K. banning driving Citroen’s if you are over 30 because someone died driving one last week (which is obviously going to have happened somewhere). 😂
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I think the Belgian authorities have deduced that it is the same technology as AZ which is devastating for young people.

In France they don't know what to do with AZ.

Out of 8 million doses received only 4.5 million were used. 3.5 million are in the fridge and nobody wants them,

Worse, 4.5 million must be delivered in June. The government does not know what to do with them.

Yet it is only reserved for those over 55, but people in this age group do not want to take the risk of dying before retirement. :)

They recently donated 600,000 doses to the Covax program and will certainly continue on this path.

Faced with this failure, the European Union will not renew its orders.

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Gortron

Gortron
Patrick_68000 said:
For me 30% is not half (empty or full)

In addition, researchers from the Institut Pasteur say that AZ works very little or even not at all against Indian and South African variants.

Very little or not at all does not represent 30% but 10% or 0% for me.

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That study compared 12 people with one dose of AZ with 28 that had both of Pfizer. I’d of thought even calling that a study is a stretch. It’s no wonder there are problems with vaccine uptake in France.

I watched an interview with one of the creators of the Oxford vaccine the other day. In that he stated that the Study that was done for the South Africa variant was too small to be conclusive but showed good protection against severe cases.

Source: https://youtu.be/lNQMiYFpX3E
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Gortron said:

That study compared 12 people with one dose of AZ with 28 that had both of Pfizer. I’d of thought even calling that a study is a stretch. It’s no wonder there are problems with vaccine uptake in France.

I watched an interview with one of the creators of the Oxford vaccine the other day. In that he stated that the Study that was done for the South Africa variant was too small to be conclusive but showed good protection against severe cases.

Source: https://youtu.be/lNQMiYFpX3E
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Of course, the creator of the Oxford vaccine will not criticize its creation.

In any case, this is not the opinion of the Institut Pasteur for the first dose. For the second dose they are waiting for independent data.

Always wait for studies from independent organizations and never those from the creators of a product.

For more objectivity. :)

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Gortron

Gortron
Patrick_68000 said:
Of course, the creator of the Oxford vaccine will not criticize its creation.

In any case, this is not the opinion of the Institut Pasteur for the first dose. For the second dose they are waiting for independent data.

Always wait for studies from independent organizations and never those from the creators of a product.

For more objectivity. :)

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There is no need to wait. Public Health England has already got initial results from a much larger sample using real world data.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57214596

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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Yes it's Public Health England.

And as I said I prefer independent studies from other countries than the country of creation of the product.

Although I don't care since I will never take AZ and Janssen. ;)

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Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
Gortron said:

That study compared 12 people with one dose of AZ with 28 that had both of Pfizer. I’d of thought even calling that a study is a stretch. It’s no wonder there are problems with vaccine uptake in France.
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The issues in Europe are partly due to hostile actions emanating from the usual former Warsaw Pact villians. Reduced speed of uptake there is beneficial to the enemies of NATO.
www.arabnews.com

EU report accuses Russia, China of sowing mistrust in Western vaccines

BRUSSELS, Belgium: Russian and Chinese media are systematically seeking to sow mistrust in Western COVID-19 vaccines in their latest disinformation campaigns aimed at dividing the West, a European report said on Wednesday. From December to April, the two countries’ state media outlets pushed...
www.arabnews.com www.arabnews.com

French social division is being exploited to further antivax sentiment, and widen their casualties, weaken their economy, and destabilize their democracy. Exactly the same in the US, etc.

We can see the impact right here. In this thread.

On the "bright side" if you can call it that, the Covid impact in Russia and its satellites has been brutal. Nothing short of brutal, with actual casualties there vastly exceeding 3 to 5 times the reported numbers.
www.economist.com

Russia’s covid-19 outbreak is far worse than the Kremlin admits

Like its Soviet predecessor, Vladimir Putin’s system is steeped in falsehoods
www.economist.com www.economist.com

They have been totally outclassed by Western Vaccines. Only by impeding uptake can they hope to close the percieved gap.
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Robin of Spiritwood said:
The issues in Europe are partly due to hostile actions emanating from the usual former Warsaw Pact villians. Reduced speed of uptake there is beneficial to the enemies of NATO.
www.arabnews.com

EU report accuses Russia, China of sowing mistrust in Western vaccines

BRUSSELS, Belgium: Russian and Chinese media are systematically seeking to sow mistrust in Western COVID-19 vaccines in their latest disinformation campaigns aimed at dividing the West, a European report said on Wednesday. From December to April, the two countries’ state media outlets pushed...
www.arabnews.com www.arabnews.com

French social division is being exploited to further antivax sentiment, and widen their casualties, weaken their economy, and destabilize their democracy. Exactly the same in the US, etc.

We can see the impact right here. In this thread.

On the "bright side" if you can call it that, the Covid impact in Russia and its satellites has been brutal. Nothing short of brutal, with actual casualties there vastly exceeding 3 to 5 times the reported numbers.
www.economist.com

Russia’s covid-19 outbreak is far worse than the Kremlin admits

Like its Soviet predecessor, Vladimir Putin’s system is steeped in falsehoods
www.economist.com www.economist.com

They have been totally outclassed by Western Vaccines. Only by impeding uptake can they hope to close the percieved gap.
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I did not know that the Institut Pasteur is infiltrated by Chinese and Russian agents. 🤔

And also all the countries that have banned or restricted to an age group, vaccines like AZ and Janssen. 🤔

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Gortron

Gortron
Patrick_68000 said:
Yes it's Public Health England.

And as I said I prefer independent studies from other countries than the country of creation of the product.

Although I don't care since I will never take AZ and Janssen. ;)

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You are going to struggle to get better data than a country that does more sequencing than anyone else, has the second highest number of vaccinated people per capita, is using 3 different vaccines and has an outbreak of the India variant!

By all means wait for the French one although if the one you already mentioned is something to go by it will be meaningless.

PHE has no reason to make things up. The made concern here is whether or not the India variant is going to stop the vaccine program from doing its job.
 

Gortron

Gortron
Robin of Spiritwood said:

"Several European influencers say they have been offered money to use their social media presence to discourage their millions of followers from receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine by a suspicious agency that French officials reportedly think could be linked to Russia."
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They don’t need to do that for OAZ because the French government is doing it for free 😜
 

Gortron

Gortron
Robin of Spiritwood said:
From our selfish perspective, the faster European countries give up on their antivax cohorts and export their unused vaccines, the better for us.

It would be logical for me to shut up now and let Russia help.
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It could actually get worse. The EU is demanding AstraZeneca pay an upfront fine for not supplying enough of the vaccine they don’t want but also 10 Euro for each undelivered dose from the end of June or July (can’t remember which). So if they win the case which wouldn’t surprise me as it’s being held in Belgium, then I’d imagine AZ will be diverting supplies from anywhere it can get its hand on it to avoid losing billions of pounds on the vaccine it was supplying at cost to the EU (2 Euro).

Now might be a good time to invest in a fridge supply business on the continent. Hopefully in that event some of it would find its way into Covax before it goes out of date, but considering all the unused vaccine in France I wouldn’t count on it.

https://www.ft.com/content/dd191c42-3509-42c6-8fd2-e617f16935ec Thought I better add a link as it’s so ridiculous it sounds like I made it up.

www.bloomberg.com

AstraZeneca Should Pay Millions for Delayed Shots, EU Says

AstraZeneca Plc should pay multimillion-euro daily penalties if it still fails to deliver Covid-19 vaccines on time, the European Union told a court in the latest round of a bitter legal dispute over the drugmaker’s alleged broken promises.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

The best bit is there is a clause in the contract that they cannot be sued for failure to deliver vaccine doses on time but Belgium law doesn’t recognise such clauses, hence why it’s being held in a Belgium court.
 
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Arry

Arry
Gortron said:
You are going to struggle to get better data than a country that does more sequencing than anyone else, has the second highest number of vaccinated people per capita, is using 3 different vaccines and has an outbreak of the India variant!

By all means wait for the French one although if the one you already mentioned is something to go by it will be meaningless.

PHE has no reason to make things up. The made concern here is whether or not the India variant is going to stop the vaccine program from doing its job.
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PHE, is a gov.dot mouth piece. Created in 2013 to replace a number of independent bodies, overseeing the NHS.

Agreed: Their job is to oversee the health of the U.K. population, but what they have to say, is often 'passed' by ministers of the crown.

The best example of how this works, can be seen at the Covid press briefings. Often PHE is represented, but only to show credibility and be seen to be backing the Minister.
 

Arry

Arry
Gortron said:
It could actually get worse. The EU is demanding AstraZeneca pay an upfront fine for not supplying enough of the vaccine they don’t want but also 10 Euro for each undelivered dose from the end of June or July (can’t remember which). So if they win the case which wouldn’t surprise me as it’s being held in Belgium, then I’d imagine AZ will be diverting supplies from anywhere it can get its hand on it to avoid losing billions of pounds on the vaccine it was supplying at cost to the EU (2 Euro).

Now might be a good time to invest in a fridge supply business on the continent. Hopefully in that event some of it would find its way into Covax before it goes out of date, but considering all the unused vaccine in France I wouldn’t count on it.

https://www.ft.com/content/dd191c42-3509-42c6-8fd2-e617f16935ec Thought I better add a link as it’s so ridiculous it sounds like I made it up.

www.bloomberg.com

AstraZeneca Should Pay Millions for Delayed Shots, EU Says

AstraZeneca Plc should pay multimillion-euro daily penalties if it still fails to deliver Covid-19 vaccines on time, the European Union told a court in the latest round of a bitter legal dispute over the drugmaker’s alleged broken promises.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

The best bit is there is a clause in the contract that they cannot be sued for failure to deliver vaccine doses on time but Belgium law doesn’t recognise such clauses, hence why it’s being held in a Belgium court.
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That is all just a part of the noise, between those going through a brake up in their relationship.

At best. A distraction, at worst, putting up someone to blame for the total chaos, that is the E.Us vaccine program.
 
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