General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[Arry]

I'm equally surprised that this isn't a thing yet and that it's needed.

Government ‘absolutely thinking about’ compulsory Covid vaccines for NHS staff

More noise.

If every NHS worker was vaccinated, what would that achieve? 80% immunity at best. That means 20% at risk, 24/7.

It would cause a rise in complacency and the current standards would drop. Having all NHS workers vaccinated, would not reduce the need for hand washing, distancing, or PPE.

Agreed: Having everyone, wherever they work, is the way forward. But making claims, that the powers that be, will make it 'compulsory', is just noise, to gain favour with the idiot public.

If it was compulsory, would staff be given a choice of what vaccine they can have? I doubt it.

 

[Arry]

How did these people avoid any direct experience of covid ?.

Protestors at Westfield as thousands take to capital's streets

Protesters gathered in Parliament Square in London on Saturday, with some claiming the pandemic is a hoax while others carried placards reading 'My body, my choice'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sweets, for the sweet and nuts, for the Daily Mail readers.

 

[Stigbob]

More noise.

If every NHS worker was vaccinated, what would that achieve? 80% immunity at best. That means 20% at risk, 24/7.

It would cause a rise in complacency and the current standards would drop. Having all NHS workers vaccinated, would not reduce the need for hand washing, distancing, or PPE.

Agreed: Having everyone, wherever they work, is the way forward. But making claims, that the powers that be, will make it 'compulsory', is just noise, to gain favour with the idiot public.

High 90s are vaccinated already no complacency I've seen, or felt. The handful of anti-vaxxers without exception are a bit twitchy the rest of us would feel better if they bogged off or got forced TBH.

If it was compulsory, would staff be given a choice of what vaccine they can have? I doubt it.

Of course not, none of us were offered a choice of which vaccine and nobody thought it was an issue. Might be something to do with the qualifying exams.

 

[Stigbob]

Sweets, for the sweet and nuts, for the Daily Mail readers.

They've run their own story about compulsory jabs now :

"It is believed that under the plans, having a jab would become a condition of employment by the health service.

The Government has already consulted on whether to make jabs compulsory for social care workers and ministers are now weighing up whether to do the same for medics."

Covid vaccination could be made compulsory for NHS workers

The Government has already consulted on whether to make Covid jabs compulsory for social care workers and ministers are now weighing up whether to do the same for doctors and nurses.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Arry]

They've run their own story about compulsory jabs now :

"It is believed that under the plans, having a jab would become a condition of employment by the health service.

The Government has already consulted on whether to make jabs compulsory for social care workers and ministers are now weighing up whether to do the same for medics."

Covid vaccination could be made compulsory for NHS workers

The Government has already consulted on whether to make Covid jabs compulsory for social care workers and ministers are now weighing up whether to do the same for doctors and nurses.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The consultation, came back with no for an answer.
There are too many grounds, that can be used, not to have the vaccine. Health, religion, disabilities, pregnancy and many more. Which throws the whole idea, out of the window. They have chosen to go down the 'encouragement' route, rather than forcing it. 51% of care home staff, voted against, compulsory vaccines.

That said: This is just noise, a distraction, from the 28.000+, untested people, sent into care homes, at the beginning of 2020.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The made concern here is whether or not the India variant is going to stop the vaccine program from doing its job.

Well I wish success to our British friends of course, especially since now the Indian variant has replaced the English variant in the country.

It would be regrettable if all the efforts made for several weeks were reduced to nothing.

 

[Patrick_68000]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/26/influencers-offered-money-pfizer-discredit-russia/

"Several European influencers say they have been offered money to use their social media presence to discourage their millions of followers from receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine by a suspicious agency that French officials reportedly think could be linked to Russia."

Be sure that people do not need Russia to make their decisions in good conscience.

Although there are also people who can be influenced, this is not the majority. And besides, the vaccination works rather well in France.

 

[Patrick_68000]

From our selfish perspective, the faster European countries give up on their antivax cohorts and export their unused vaccines, the better for us.

It would be logical for me to shut up now and let Russia help.

They abandon AZ not Pfizer which is the reference vaccine used.

People want Pfizer and Moderna. Not AZ.

It’s not the same thing. And the antivax cohorts are just a figment of your imagination.

 

[Patrick_68000]

It could actually get worse. The EU is demanding AstraZeneca pay an upfront fine for not supplying enough of the vaccine they don’t want but also 10 Euro for each undelivered dose from the end of June or July (can’t remember which). So if they win the case which wouldn’t surprise me as it’s being held in Belgium, then I’d imagine AZ will be diverting supplies from anywhere it can get its hand on it to avoid losing billions of pounds on the vaccine it was supplying at cost to the EU (2 Euro).

Now might be a good time to invest in a fridge supply business on the continent. Hopefully in that event some of it would find its way into Covax before it goes out of date, but considering all the unused vaccine in France I wouldn’t count on it.

https://www.ft.com/content/dd191c42-3509-42c6-8fd2-e617f16935ec Thought I better add a link as it’s so ridiculous it sounds like I made it up.

AstraZeneca Should Pay Millions for Delayed Shots, EU Says

AstraZeneca Plc should pay multimillion-euro daily penalties if it still fails to deliver Covid-19 vaccines on time, the European Union told a court in the latest round of a bitter legal dispute over the drugmaker’s alleged broken promises.

www.bloomberg.com

The best bit is there is a clause in the contract that they cannot be sued for failure to deliver vaccine doses on time but Belgium law doesn’t recognise such clauses, hence why it’s being held in a Belgium court.

I did not know this latest news. Interesting.

After all, it would be normal for AZ to reimburse the hundreds of millions of euros received from the European Union, to develop the OAZ vaccine.

AZ took the money but didn't honor the contract.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I'm equally surprised that this isn't a thing yet and that it's needed.

Government ‘absolutely thinking about’ compulsory Covid vaccines for NHS staff

May be that they are afraid to receive resignations in large quantity.

For the anecdot, I am surprised that many NHS workers are not vaccinated. There are certainly reasons because they are not anti-vaxxers.

 

[Patrick_68000]

More noise.

If every NHS worker was vaccinated, what would that achieve? 80% immunity at best. That means 20% at risk, 24/7.

It would cause a rise in complacency and the current standards would drop. Having all NHS workers vaccinated, would not reduce the need for hand washing, distancing, or PPE.

Agreed: Having everyone, wherever they work, is the way forward. But making claims, that the powers that be, will make it 'compulsory', is just noise, to gain favour with the idiot public.

If it was compulsory, would staff be given a choice of what vaccine they can have? I doubt it.

And we come back to the fact that if the epidemic were a real danger for the humanity, the vaccination would be mandatory without discussion.

This is obviously not the case since the epidemic is of manageable importance and the vaccination is not mandatory worldwide.

I think if the epidemic were really serious with 50-100 million deaths for example, the governments around the world would be making drastic decisions

But 4-10 million deaths on the planet is quite an acceptable variable for states.

If there is a dramatization, it is mainly for the financial prosperity of the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Of course not, none of us were offered a choice of which vaccine and nobody thought it was an issue.

Surprising, in France the majority of people requires Pfizer or Moderna.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The consultation, came back with no for an answer.
There are too many grounds, that can be used, not to have the vaccine. Health, religion, disabilities, pregnancy and many more. Which throws the whole idea, out of the window. They have chosen to go down the 'encouragement' route, rather than forcing it. 51% of care home staff, voted against, compulsory vaccines.

That said: This is just noise, a distraction, from the 28.000+, untested people, sent into care homes, at the beginning of 2020.

Wise decision.

The freedom to freely dispose of one's body is an imperative as long as the epidemic is low and under control.

 

[Gortron]

PHE, is a gov.dot mouth piece. Created in 2013 to replace a number of independent bodies, overseeing the NHS.

Agreed: Their job is to oversee the health of the U.K. population, but what they have to say, is often 'passed' by ministers of the crown.

The best example of how this works, can be seen at the Covid press briefings. Often PHE is represented, but only to show credibility and be seen to be backing the Minister.

PHE is a Quango for sure but the people that work for it are trying to do an honest job. The figures they are using are from the NHS, track and trace and Porton down MOD labs. I do understand your suspicions outlook though

 

[Gortron]

I did not know this latest news. Interesting.

After all, it would be normal for AZ to reimburse the hundreds of millions of euros received from the European Union, to develop the OAZ vaccine.

AZ took the money but didn't honor the contract.

They haven’t paid for it yet. They ordered it but they didn’t pay for it upfront. If that was the case then the EU would just cancel the order.

 

[Arry]

PHE is a Quango for sure but the people that work for it are trying to do an honest job. The figures they are using are from the NHS, track and trace and Porton down MOD labs. I do understand your suspicions outlook though

The independent bodies that were swallowed up by the PHE, are still doing great work. It is now, that they are beholden, to the crown's ministers; that I have issue with.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

PHE is a Quango for sure but the people that work for it are trying to do an honest job. The figures they are using are from the NHS, track and trace and Porton down MOD labs. I do understand your suspicions outlook though.

Number juggling is a thing. There was pretty clear evidence of it over here when we were very close to having our health service be overwhelmed. Beds frozen at 850 for 3 days, only to be said it peaked at 963 a couple of weeks later.
We got through it but they will manipulate the truth to stop a panic.
However, it's when these same actions might be used for other agendas is when we should be really concerned.
I think they are looking for a scapegoat now rather than bear responsibility for their own failings.
Buttons will be pushed.

 

[Stigbob]

The consultation, came back with no for an answer.
There are too many grounds, that can be used, not to have the vaccine. Health, religion, disabilities, pregnancy and many more. Which throws the whole idea, out of the window. They have chosen to go down the 'encouragement' route, rather than forcing it. 51% of care home staff, voted against, compulsory vaccines.

That said: This is just noise, a distraction, from the 28.000+, untested people, sent into care homes, at the beginning of 2020.

Having unvaccinated staff leaves them open to legal liability if they allow them contact with the public and infections occur.

 

[Arry]

May be that they are afraid to receive resignations in large quantity.

For the anecdot, I am surprised that many NHS workers are not vaccinated. There are certainly reasons because they are not anti-vaxxers.

It is less than 20% across the whole of the NHS staff. Probably getting closer to 10%. Most of those that have worked with this thing, over the last year, are scared. At the same time; many have caught it and have now got the anti-bodies. This gives them a false sense of security, by thinking that they are immune.

The doctors have been the highest percentage, to reject it. Something for the anti-vaxer's quiver.

 

[Stigbob]

It is less than 20% across the whole of the NHS staff. Probably getting closer to 10%. Most of those that have worked with this thing, over the last year, are scared. At the same time; many have caught it and have now got the anti-bodies. This gives them a false sense of security, by thinking that they are immune.

Not any of the ones I know . We've all turned into pro-vax clean freaks with excellent 5G reception.

The doctors have been the highest percentage, to reject it. Something for the anti-vaxer's quiver.

That sounds like a load of rubbish, is there a source ?.