Has the hysteria died down yet?

[Sluggy71]

If you're having an overwhelmingly positive experience like I am possibly so as not to see the expansion get tanked and see no further upgrades? There's a time and a place for 'constructive' criticism but kill the game with it with it and it isn't so constructive after all is it? If on balance the expansion is much more good than bad, which I believe it is, then it's fair enough to say so no? Would that be OK with you? Then, when the future of the game doesn't depend on it as much (and this is first income to ED for six years, after Beyond which came for free after Horizons) give your constructive feedback, constructively?

I really don't see how you're actually having 'an overwhelmingly positive experience' with Odyssey, not because I'm a hater or mean, but this software is really that bad. You don't get the reaction that Odyssey has received (32% on Steam for example) and across the board panning from all the major YouTubers and reviewers without being a very ropey product in the first place.

Beyond came free because Horizons was a terrible launch as well and needed repairing, and so Beyond was intended as a QOL improvement that ED really needed, with improvments to the UI, rebalancing etc. Things that Odyssey completely went back on.

At this point, I really couldn't care less that FDEV is hurting as a company. They deliberately shafted their customers (and there's NO WAY that FDEV didn't know the state of Odyssey when it shipped). They shafted me with First Encounters in 1995 as well, a game that couldn't even install from the CDROM it came on. I gave them another chance in 2014 because I bloody LOVE this game. I've played Elite since 85, but if this is what Elite is in 2021, I'm done. I care more about this game than FDEV it would seem.

If ED whithers away, it's FDEV's fault. Not the community's. FDEV did this to themselves.

edited a few times to fix horrific spelling and grammar mistakes to give the illusion that I'm a mildly sentient being

 

[Crystles]

(and this is first income to ED for six years, after Beyond which came for free after Horizons)

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Hmm...

 

[Rat Catcher]

I really don't see how you're actually having 'an overwhelmingly positive experience' with Odyssey

Why not?

The performance takes a massive hit currently, but the content is very enjoyable - so the experience can be very positive even with the performance / Planetary Tech issues.

There are issues, which most of us are making noise about, (me included) but I still play it exclusively on 2 accounts as I do like much of what has been added to the game.

Arguing that one person couldn't possibly be enjoying something that 68% of others are not - which still indicates that 1 in 3 are enjoying it - is just a little single-minded, surely?

 

[Sluggy71]

I genuinely hear what you're saying (really, I do) and I know it sounds snotty for me to say that I don't understand how you can enjoy it, but it's honestly how I feel. What a mess Odyssey is.

I am glad you're enjoying it tho. I envy you.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I genuinely hear what you're saying (really, I do) and I know it sounds snotty for me to say that I don't understand how you can enjoy it, but it's honestly how I feel. What a mess Odyssey is.

I am glad you're enjoying it tho. I envy you.

I gather a tiny percentage of the British population actually enjoy eating Brussels Sprouts also.... [shudders!]

 

[babelfisch]

I really don't see how you're actually having 'an overwhelmingly positive experience' with Odyssey, not because I'm a hater or mean, but this software is really that bad. You don't get the reaction that Odyssey has received (32% on Steam for example) and across the board panning from all the major YouTubers and reviewers without being a very ropey product in the first place.

I absolutely love playing Odyssey. But currently I wouldn't give it a positive review. Mostly because of the poor performance.
Didn't run into any major bugs yet. The gameplay / mechanics / graphic and sound design are awesome. The planetary tech needs some work, but under the right conditions it looks brilliant. There are a few issues with UI, lighting and minor stuff like the Holome portrait, but that doesn't stop me from having fun.
Still, in the current state I wouldn't give it a positive review.

 

[Sluggy71]

I gather a tiny percentage of the British population actually enjoy eating Brussels Sprouts also.... [shudders!]

I just sat down and contemplated life and I think the reason I'm so grumpy with Odyssey isn't actually 'Odyssey - The Software' but the sheer disrespect shown by FDEV to their customers releasing it in the way they did. They really didn't care.

As I said before, been playing Elite since 85. Love the game to death. I know FDEV can't release anything ED-related without cocking it up. I know Braben talks a big game but delivers the bare minimum. But the sheer, bald-faced way FDEV pushed this out the door to meet a financial deadline just infuriates me. And people still defend Braben and FDEV.

 

[juanopen4]

If you're having an overwhelmingly positive experience like I am possibly so as not to see the expansion get tanked and see no further upgrades? There's a time and a place for 'constructive' criticism but kill the game with it with it and it isn't so constructive after all is it? If on balance the expansion is much more good than bad, which I believe it is, then it's fair enough to say so no? Would that be OK with you? Then, when the future of the game doesn't depend on it as much (and this is first income to ED for six years, after Beyond which came for free after Horizons) give your constructive feedback, constructively?

lol ... now I know this game will never be fixed, it's great right now

 

[zimms]

If you're having an overwhelmingly positive experience like I am possibly so as not to see the expansion get tanked and see no further upgrades? There's a time and a place for 'constructive' criticism but kill the game with it with it and it isn't so constructive after all is it? If on balance the expansion is much more good than bad, which I believe it is, then it's fair enough to say so no? Would that be OK with you? Then, when the future of the game doesn't depend on it as much (and this is first income to ED for six years, after Beyond which came for free after Horizons) give your constructive feedback, constructively?

Absolutely, but it works both ways. If somebody's experience is overwhelmingly negative, then it's also fair to give a negative review.

At least I haven't seen any threads asking people to leave a negative review just to influence the overall rating.

 

[CMDR ZerØ]

If you're having an overwhelmingly positive experience like I am possibly so as not to see the expansion get tanked and see no further upgrades? There's a time and a place for 'constructive' criticism but kill the game with it with it and it isn't so constructive after all is it? If on balance the expansion is much more good than bad, which I believe it is, then it's fair enough to say so no? Would that be OK with you? Then, when the future of the game doesn't depend on it as much (and this is first income to ED for six years, after Beyond which came for free after Horizons) give your constructive feedback, constructively?

I'm getting a bit tired of typing this so much, but it seems like some people still don't understand.

Reviews should reflect the CURRENT STATE OF THE GAME. In its current state, the majority of players are experiencing bugs which are affecting their ability to enjoy or even play the game. People should absolutely not wait until the game is fixed to leave a review - this will result in people buying Odyssey being unaware of the state it's in, and probably refunding and never looking back. If they are deterred by the negative reviews, there's more of a chance that they'll wait and pick it up down the line when it's in a playable state.

And in response to some people complaining that people won't change the reviews and the negative score will be permanent - that's what the "recent reviews" score is for on Steam.

TL;DR: If you're having fun with it, great. Others aren't and are entitled to leave a review of their experience.

 

[juanopen4]

I'm getting a bit tired of typing this so much, but it seems like some people still don't understand.

some of the latest steam reviews:

-" 10/10, great game"---- positive review ,lol
-"It needs to improve a lot. They released it in beta, unfortunate. I have hope for the future, but what they did is unforgivable"--- also positive ....
and so many others.

I think the ones who are trolling the reviews are others .... I mean, I can imagine a couple of knights buying 3 or 4 copies just for leaving positive reviews on steam, lol, how ridiculous.

 

[Winterwalker]

I really don't see how you're actually having 'an overwhelmingly positive experience' with Odyssey, not because I'm a hater or mean, but this software is really that bad.

I've had no performance issue for a start but it's an honest review to say I'm enjoying myself when I am. I don't have a big problem with the UI - except the shipyard! - and that means my experience is overwhelmingly positive. Hope that helps.

Reviews should reflect the CURRENT STATE OF THE GAME. In its current state.

That's what I just said!

IF - for example - I thought it the other way around - more bad than good - my reaction would more likely be 'cool' (cold) but crying about it isn't going to help. For recent example, see Star Wars; Internets OUTRAGE over the Prequels gave us the? Sequels! Well done fanbase, good one lol. So to the OP .. nooooo, I think the lady's things hysteria is quite evident still.

I didn't play alpha so the current state of the game is all I have to go on, btw. Judging for myself, I'm prepared to say where there's room for improvement but I think there's more good than bad so I'm quite happy to temper that criticism and express it in a way that makes improvement more likely to happen. Nowt wrong with that.

 

[MacIntoc]

But no seriously, I've seen better work from unity asset flippers. People absolutely should be ****ed. It's a $40 expansion. Not game. Expansion. Try letting that sink in for a bit. And then realize that, despite the fact it's (and I mean this very literally) a completely unoptimized mess... It doesnt even do a good job of what it set out to do! It's exceedingly basic and bare bones, it's very largely considered a downgrade, and even outright regressive. And if you've followed FDev's track record as of late, this genuinely is probably going to be best we can expect of it content wise. Sure there's going to be optimizations and bug fixes, but FDev's never gone the distance to actually complete any aspect of the game and make it individually worth while, and even years later many things are just blatantly unfinished.

Yep. Almost all players seem to have bought Horizon before Odyssey and therefore feel like they paid $40 for Odyssey. But from the point of view of someone who doesn't own Horizon, they have to pay $30 for Horizon and $40 for Odyssey, so $70 in total. In fine, Horizon cost 30$ and Odyssey cost 70$.

 

[Darth Ender]

some of the latest steam reviews:

-" 10/10, great game"---- positive review ,lol
-"It needs to improve a lot. They released it in beta, unfortunate. I have hope for the future, but what they did is unforgivable"--- also positive ....
and so many others.

I think the ones who are trolling the reviews are others .... I mean, I can imagine a couple of knights buying 3 or 4 copies just for leaving positive reviews on steam, lol, how ridiculous.

Yea, the fake positive reviews have been something going on since release day. My fav are the ones that will list out all of the problems but still review positive because "it'll be fixed eventually". Nonsense like that. In any case, they aren't in a large enough number to really matter - that's how significant the issues are to the actual playerbase.

Only time has the potential to heal that review score.

 

[babelfisch]

Yep. Almost all players seem to have bought Horizon before Odyssey and therefore feel like they paid $40 for Odyssey. But from the point of view of someone who doesn't own Horizon, they have to pay $30 for Horizon and $40 for Odyssey, so $70 in total. In fine, Horizon cost 30$ and Odyssey cost 70$.

Nope. Horizons became free for all a few months ago.

PS
I am sure someone will point out how that is another greedy move by evil Lord Braben and his demonic shareholders.

 

[vtore7744]

 

[Winterwalker]

Yea, the fake positive reviews have been something going on since release day.

Speaking of which (Darth) .. I hope you enjoyed the Disney Star Wars Sequels as much as I didn't. Prequels gone up in estimation much? (George Lucas killed my childhood killed that one. Disney?! Really?? lol)

I've got a four year old nephew who's got more sense though, really. If he didn't like the lego plane I made him he'd smash it .. so I had to learn him that if he did that he wouldn't get another. Now - if he asks me nicely and plays my game too - with just a little mutual respect he can have as much input on making his plane as good as I can make it (addressing his concerns) no problem!

Won't - can't - fix a plane he smashed up in a tantrum though. Plus why should I bother? He'll only do it again and who needs that?

 

[Frags]

For me it was enough to play EDO tutorial to recognize that the game is still in alpha. I'm OK to wait another year or so until EDO gets playable shape.
My problem is that they broke EDH, tons of different errors and disconnections every day despite EDH was really stable before.

 

[Several Puffins]

crying about it isn't going to help

If the reviews were positive, Frontier would have no incentive to fix it. Reviews for Horizons weren't great (not Oddysey bad, admittedly) but the game improved and so the reviews improved, which kind of contradicts the idea that negative reviews will kill further development.

I doubt it will harm the growth of the community. If I saw something positively reviewed and it was a hot mess, I wouldn't trust later reviews of the product and try it again. This way, people won't be tempted into being put off forever.

Frankly, only a bad reception to this kind of release will lead to improvement.

I feel sorry for the employees who will be stuck in crunch hell for the next 4 months trying to fit in 8 months of work, though.

 

[Winterwalker]

If the reviews were positive, Frontier would have no incentive to fix it.

No no no, you misunderstand me. If the reviews are 100% negative, Frontier won't be able to afford to fix it.

So you temper it that's all. Send a message fine but don't smash the living crap out of it. In any case my positive review is a real one, this idea of fake positive reviews is for nutters only.

And I KNEW the Force Awakens was rubbish so trust me, I know of what I speak