Looks like I'm buying Odyssey....

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Same here - credit absolutely where credit's due - but all the premature congratulations (especially when patch notes cover issues that aren't actually fixed, or not properly fixed) remind me of completely botched go-lives I went through in the past that were deemed "great successes" /Borat


None of the Horizons-only POIs have received some EDO love to encourage on-foot interaction. Another missed opportunity for better overlap/integration between EDO & EDH.
Instead there's a really poor imitation of unreal tournament and a bunch of blowtorch/engineering mini games that I'd enjoy more in Alien: Isolation or Dead Space with something trying to perforate my spleen.

The more I learn the more it feels like Odysee is a transparent (and poorly realised) attempt to snag a share of the fps market. At least when CCP tried that they had the good sense to compartmentalise.
 
Instead there's a really poor imitation of unreal tournament and a bunch of blowtorch/engineering mini games that I'd enjoy more in Alien: Isolation or Dead Space with something trying to perforate my spleen.

The more I learn the more it feels like Odysee is a transparent (and poorly realised) attempt to snag a share of the fps market. At least when CCP tried that they had the good sense to compartmentalise.
I have never ever had to play unreal tournament with less than 60 fps...
 

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Instead there's a really poor imitation of unreal tournament and a bunch of blowtorch/engineering mini games that I'd enjoy more in Alien: Isolation or Dead Space with something trying to perforate my spleen.

The more I learn the more it feels like Odysee is a transparent (and poorly realised) attempt to snag a share of the fps market. At least when CCP tried that they had the good sense to compartmentalise.
Thing is, I do like the package overall (as in Elite the game as it is in Odyssey) - my by far biggest complaints is the technical/visual state (including UI) of the game and the fact EDH/EDO feel very separate from each other. If those two would be addressed I'd actually be quite happy overall.

I'm having a lot of fun in CZs, if only they'd run at a stable and consistent frame rate.
 

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Thing is, I do like the package overall (as in Elite the game as it is in Odyssey) - my by far biggest complaints is the technical/visual state (including UI) of the game and the fact EDH/EDO feel very separate from each other. If those two would be addressed I'd actually be quite happy overall.

I'm having a lot of fun in CZs, if only they'd run at a stable and consistent frame rate.
I think the sense of separation is what's getting to me most at the moment (but I have been lucky bugs/performance wise), Obsidian Ant did an on foot video in a Thargoid base and crikey that was awful.

I probably need to have a different outlook and treat the EDH content as a separate game (I can almost see the design logic in doing so - but the weird anti-lore that pioneer supplies has always existed smacks jarringly of a lack of attention to detail). Probably easier as a veteran player.
 
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My interest in Odyssey stems from my overall affection for Horizons. Separate the on-foot stuff from Elite core, and then Odyssey becomes much less inspiring IMO. There are WAY better shooters that have been around a long time now. I would argue the original Mass Effect 2 and 3 on my PS3 are much better than Odyssey at the moment (again, looking at Odyssey as a separate entity rather than expanding Horizons gameplay).

Disclaimer - this argument is based on screenshots, videos, and reviews of others.
The on foot derping around in settlements reminds me very much of a stripped down version of Cyberpunk 2077, where there are these large structures with interconnected systems which you can approach and exploit in a bunch of situationally contingent ways. It’s a lot simpler and more self-contained than the systems in Cyberpunk, but the overall “feel” of carrying out an operation in a settlement really reminds me of those random warehouses and strip mall side missions you would stumble across in Cyberpunk.

The NPC bullet sponges plus largely illegible stealth mechanics and lots of high jumping around NPCs who just stand there on the ground hucking grenades at you is also probably why it feels so similar.

Compare this to Mass Effect 2, where really all you ever do is move mostly linearly from room to room, triggering unavoidable setpiece battles in closed off arenas from which you can neither circumvent nor retreat, with an emphasis on squad positioning and synergies of cooldown powers to literally mow down everything while gradually advancing forward from one piece of cover to the next. It’s a narrow in focus and frequently frenetically engaging, but its “push forward into the unknown against all resistance” structure is such a different thing from the “here is your target: get in, do the thing, get out, and report back” setup that Odyssey uses.

I never felt like the weapons in ME2 had a lot of visual or tactile oomph, and most of the time you were quick-switching between different damage types to whittle down shields vs armor vs health, so there is some similarity to EDO in that regard, I guess.

Depending on what you are into, this could be thought of as either a good review or a bad review. Personally, I like it quite a bit so far, for what it is. The problem is that this is pretty much the whole Odyssey update. The big difference between ME2 and EDO’s shooting gameplay is that Mass Effect had a whole huge amazing roleplaying adventure game built around it, full of character interactions, unique locations, and specific stakes and purpose to everything you do. EDO meanwhile is a continually regenerating randomized todo list mission-creator with no purpose or meaning behind it, and absolutely NOTHING else.
 

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I think the sense of separation is what's getting to me most at the moment (but I have been lucky bugs/performance wise), Obsidian Ant did an on foot video in a Thargoid base and crikey that was awful.

I probably need to have a different outlook and treat the EDH content as a separate game (I can almost see the design logic in doing so - but the weird anti-lore that pioneer supplies has always existed smacks jarringly of a lack of attention to detail). Probably easier as a veteran player.
I still prefer EDO (despite warts and all) because I've been looking forward to legs for a while (even though I was never really a proponent of them... I was more in the atmo/gas giant camp) and the new planet tech which has its moments (though not as often as I was hoping for) otherwise I could easily just stick to EDH, at least until they merge the underlying tech and UI.

Thankfully I'm not as invested lore wise as others - but it just feels that FDev is going through the motions of delivering the bare minimum as long as they can shift more cosmetics, and game copies of course. I'm quite worried about the reputational damage they're suffering/will suffer from as a result of this, because I want to continue to play Elite - it's still a lovely sandbox to spend time in, with a wide enough selection of activities to choose from, even if each of them isn't super deep on their own.
 
I was recently gifted the funding to purchase Odyssey, so it won't cost me any of my own money, and yet I'm not much excited about buying it. I am curious, mainly because I just want to experience for myself all that Odyssey is and is not. I also have this vain hope that I might be able to "fix it" on some level, at least the lighting. But all in all, I'm almost grimacing at the idea of giving Frontier any money, even someone else's money, for this DLC in it's current state. I hate rewarding bad behavior. Though once I buy it, I can leave my own Steam review, so Frontier may rather I don't buy it!

I am going to try to experience Odyssey "untainted" by all the negativity surrounding it, forming my own opinions separate from the "mob". Who knows, maybe I'll end up loving Odyssey? I've seen videos and livestreams that make me think I'll be very disappointed in Odyssey, but I've also seen videos and screenshots that makes me think it's not so bad after all. Like Horizons, if I can find a subset of gameplay loops to enjoy from the "buffet" of options, that would be good.

Still, I should feel more excitement rather than apprehension about buying the "New Era" DLC from Frontier. If I hadn't been gifted the funds for this specific purpose, I would not be spending my own money on it. I think this is a pretty damning commentary on just how bad the PR around Odyssey is at the moment. Frontier, you really screwed the pooch on this release.. You can't say I didn't warn you!

I'll update this thread after I download Odyssey and play with it a little bit. I'm going to wait until the next major patch (which I hope will come out this week) before committing to this purchase. Until then I'm playing other games, because even Horizons has lost its appeal due to the overall "sadness" in the community right now.



.... One should not have buyers remorse BEFORE pressing the "buy" button ....
Unless your benefactor specifically earmarked their money for Odyssey, you could always buy a different game, y’know.

Anyway if you do buy it you can always opt to NOT play it until the “real” release in 6 months. Not because it’ll necessarily get better, but at least this way if it turns out there’s something about the current build that you like, and they remove or break it; you’ll be spared the additional grief.

One thing’s for sure: Odyssey is gonna be different in 6 months. Naysayers: wait and see. Apologists/Satisfied Customers: don’t get too attached.
 

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I still prefer EDO (despite warts and all) because I've been looking forward to legs for a while (even though I was never really a proponent of them... I was more in the atmo/gas giant camp) and the new planet tech which has its moments (though not as often as I was hoping for) otherwise I could easily just stick to EDH, at least until they merge the underlying tech and UI.

Thankfully I'm not as invested lore wise as others - but it just feels that FDev is going through the motions of delivering the bare minimum as long as they can shift more cosmetics, and game copies of course. I'm quite worried about the reputational damage they're suffering/will suffer from as a result of this, because I want to continue to play Elite - it's still a lovely sandbox to spend time in, with a wide enough selection of activities to choose from, even if each of them isn't super deep on their own.

Aye, I do like it - and if I'm honest with myself, it was worth the outlay of thirty quid for the legs alone - sight unseen, even with the subsequent bugs and performance issues. My experiences of the planet tech have by and large been good too (probably the most jarring thing after terrain pop and low framerates at outposts has been the weirdly swept flat zones around some planetary landings) and some odd behaviour with shadows. On balance I'd say it's as good as - or possibly better - than EDH planet gen, but I recognise that's highly subjective and probably just means I'm terrible at pattern recognition!

The lore side of things is definitely a big one for me immersion wise but again, if I'm honest, I don't need that to enjoy the game - especially as a casual player. Hopefully, assuming F-Deb don't (if you'll excuse the pun) follow through with their imitation of the Trainspotting bed sh*tting scene as you fear, some of these nice-to-haves will make an appearance and the game'll be richer for it.

Anyway, I do need to upgrade my FSD - if only to get a respectable jump range out of a laden trade python - so I'm going to bite and do the Adamastor run. Worst case I get to experience EDH content again to the backdrop of the new planet tech, best case I find the Alexandria's crash site while I'm out there...
 

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Aye, I do like it - and if I'm honest with myself, it was worth the outlay of thirty quid for the legs alone - sight unseen, even with the subsequent bugs and performance issues. My experiences of the planet tech have by and large been good too (probably the most jarring thing after terrain pop and low framerates at outposts has been the weirdly swept flat zones around some planetary landings) and some odd behaviour with shadows. On balance I'd say it's as good as - or possibly better - than EDH planet gen, but I recognise that's highly subjective and probably just means I'm terrible at pattern recognition!

The lore side of things is definitely a big one for me immersion wise but again, if I'm honest, I don't need that to enjoy the game - especially as a casual player. Hopefully, assuming F-Deb don't (if you'll excuse the pun) follow through with their imitation of the Trainspotting bed sh*tting scene as you fear, some of these nice-to-haves will make an appearance and the game'll be richer for it.

Anyway, I do need to upgrade my FSD - if only to get a respectable jump range out of a laden trade python - so I'm going to bite and do the Adamastor run. Worst case I get to experience EDH content again to the backdrop of the new planet tech, best case I find the Alexandria's crash site while I'm out there...
Actually, I might need to pedal back on my "don't bother" comment - that only applies if you've visited the place already. If not it's still worth a quick trip. And jumping around on-foot within the facility has its own charm... if severely limited in terms of actual gameplay.

(try to) have fun!
 

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Actually, I might need to pedal back on my "don't bother" comment - that only applies if you've visited the place already. If not it's still worth a quick trip. And jumping around on-foot within the facility has its own charm... if severely limited in terms of actual gameplay.

(try to) have fun!
Well, definitely trying, I've gone from having basically no CTDs three and a couple of weird fade to black and stuck bugs when boarding - definitely don't remember seeing those in the patch notes.
 
It's the quiet voices I've been listening to, the ones that are normally very positive about ED but are not so positive about Odyssey. I ignore the naysayers and white knights, literally! But to your point, there have been voices who are positive about Odyssey, and they aren't the typical cheerleaders, so maybe they are right. Since performance is a huge factor regarding satisfaction, and performance seems to be RNG, maybe I'll get lucky and my rig will run Odyssey just fine.
It is getting better but maybe you should wait a few more weeks for the worst issues to be addressed. I connected tonight without issue and played around with the intro tutorial and outfitting (for the focused feedback thread, as I didn't do much with outfitting in the Alpha as the UI had already badly turned me off). No doubt FD are going to work hard to "turn opinion around" and fix the most glaring issues so why wade into the fire immediately?

There are highlights you will enjoy, new shaders and vistas are very nice when they work. The on-foot mission experience was actually well thought out even if some of it wasn't implemented ideally or to the level players would like. Same for combat zones, they are working and the concept is good, but balancing and review of the whole "sphere of combat" needs work. Anti-ship/air defenses are essential for conflict zones and consequently shutting those down should be a key objective of the side trying to take over control of a site (and also this would affect how far away re-enforcements have to be dropped off- the current drop-Vultures going right to the heart of the conflict zones and being immortal is daft).

The strategy is clear that they want to keep the franchise going and continue to make money on it. FD have an interest to keep developing the game like they have for the last 7 years and that includes their explicitly stated strategy of "both Free and Paid updates". The real shame would be if once the worst flames are out FD reverts to radio silence.
 
Duck, Can I suggest you wait till Friday and see what the roadmap says? If you like what's on the roadmap, buy the game then as an endorsement of the new message, if you don't like the roadmap, maintain your vigelence. I bought Odyssey to get access to the VR to make an informed decision, and in many respects I regret doing it. Now that it's not a pre-order, you won't be getting the pioneer skin, so there is nothing to lose or create FOMO by stalling.
Following your advice, I'm cancelling this thread and offering refunds to those who donated to the Old Duck Odyssey Fund. If the donors don't request a refund, I'll put those funds towards the two DLC packs for X4 during the Summer Steam Sale, and I'll save the $10 left over for when Odyssey goes on sale during Black Friday (so the funds will still go toward Odyssey, eventually, someday, months from now, when it's finally finished and a whole lot cheaper).

So that's it folks, party is over, everyone go home.

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