I’ve simply stopped watching a lot of cc YouTube channels simply because I’ve gotten better at building. I’ve seen a lot of cool things but for the most part a lot of it isn’t realistic in a lot of ways as mentioned here already. As for cc vs the community talk I think a lot of companies get this wrong about games nowadays. Now I get it their the bread and butter for drawing interest to the game in the form of viewers but in my opinion the community is what will also make your game much better at the end of the day. The SEA pack was the perfect example of this. Cc wanted more building pieces as most of the community liked having the extra animals. But that’s just it cc need the extra building pieces for their channel and for what they think will generate more views even tho their numbers are said to be down. But like I mentioned their numbers are down for a number of reasons not being building pieces to say the least. The videos are long and me personally I’ve only got so much time in the day as it is. But the community is what keeps the game alive imo. Most people I know have been in the zt2 community for almost a decade so these are pretty loyal people who know about zoos and know what they want in a zoo game. Imo cc will more then likely jump ship once Planco 2 is out imo. Maybe not all but most as to where most of these forum members will still be all about PZ.
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I kind of was afraid of these times - but now? Honestly, if there were a chance that Frontier supports both game side by side and PZ won't end when PC2 comes - I now can't wait to see that happen. It would give the smaller YouTubers who care about zoos, animals and the community (THIS community, us 20 on here) a real boost. And the theme park nerds will be happy as well.
I do think it's unlikely that two Planet games parallel exist, but never say never. Frontier is growing.
I'm subscribed to a lot of PZ Youtubers, and watch a TON of videos, almost always have it on in the background while i'm playing (and even now, as I'm writing on the forums!). But there's also more hours of content being put out than there are total hours in the day (and the proportions are even worse if I decide to work, eat, or sleep), so i miss a lot too. Which ends up meaning that there are a few that I watch nearly episode of religiously, and then a lot that I love, but don't end up catching as often due entirely to time. And in some cases, I've noticed that I gravitate to creators who post less often because it feels more like an "event", while creators who post more often -- and whom I therefore really should be supporting more -- end up not catching my eye, precisely because I'm relying on them to always be there. Which is kind of bakwards.
But in their defense, it's absolutely true that in that context, there is a way that (some) content creators often end up feeling like they have to think about their videos as much in terms of monetization, branding, product placement, media strategies, media platforming, vertical ownership, etc, as about gameplay itself. Crisis and controversy can drive views and help create a "brand" for your videos that's probably hard to break out of, to the point that some people don't believe you if you start being positive. It also helps set you apart from the 25 other creators who posted a speedbuild video in the same hour!
Plus, they're not just content creators. In many cases they're also Platform Providers -- maintaining their own channels, discords, contests, discussion threads, etc. So in a way, they really are in direct competition with the forums! And for myself at least, staying active in the forums has been important both because it's the way Frontier has said they watch most closely -- and also precisely because I recognized that I couldn't rely on the funneling effect of creators to represent my views to Frontier. That's not for any nefarious reason. It's simply that any time two people's interests are different, either by adding an interest that one of us doesn't share (playing versus playing+streaming+platforming+monetizing), or subtracting an interest that one of us doesn't share (playing the game in full with management versus building only), there will inevitably be points where what we want/need is different too. (The same is probably true of modders, since the game probably looks very different for those who can make their own stuff, versus those who can't.). Indeed, it's one of the reasons I decided very early not to start a youtube channel -- precisely because I know myself well enough to know that it would definitely change how I play the game, and the amount of time I'd end up spending on those additional tasks.
Plus, it's got to be tough to be this community's version of a celebrity. When we agree with them, it's all "why doesn't frontier listen to their youtubers who are ambassadors for our community"; and when we don't agree with them, it's all "they've gone hollywood and don't speak for us!"
And for many content creators, the pandemic is hitting their content the hardest NOW -- as life starts up again in some places, and the amount of time we all have to watch decreases (and the amount of other things that we are able and allowed to do increases). So I definitely try to be gentle on these folks who have provided so many hours of entertainment during one of the toughest periods for many of us.
But in their defense, it's absolutely true that in that context, there is a way that (some) content creators often end up feeling like they have to think about their videos as much in terms of monetization, branding, product placement, media strategies, media platforming, vertical ownership, etc, as about gameplay itself. Crisis and controversy can drive views and help create a "brand" for your videos that's probably hard to break out of, to the point that some people don't believe you if you start being positive. It also helps set you apart from the 25 other creators who posted a speedbuild video in the same hour!
Plus, they're not just content creators. In many cases they're also Platform Providers -- maintaining their own channels, discords, contests, discussion threads, etc. So in a way, they really are in direct competition with the forums! And for myself at least, staying active in the forums has been important both because it's the way Frontier has said they watch most closely -- and also precisely because I recognized that I couldn't rely on the funneling effect of creators to represent my views to Frontier. That's not for any nefarious reason. It's simply that any time two people's interests are different, either by adding an interest that one of us doesn't share (playing versus playing+streaming+platforming+monetizing), or subtracting an interest that one of us doesn't share (playing the game in full with management versus building only), there will inevitably be points where what we want/need is different too. (The same is probably true of modders, since the game probably looks very different for those who can make their own stuff, versus those who can't.). Indeed, it's one of the reasons I decided very early not to start a youtube channel -- precisely because I know myself well enough to know that it would definitely change how I play the game, and the amount of time I'd end up spending on those additional tasks.
Plus, it's got to be tough to be this community's version of a celebrity. When we agree with them, it's all "why doesn't frontier listen to their youtubers who are ambassadors for our community"; and when we don't agree with them, it's all "they've gone hollywood and don't speak for us!"
And for many content creators, the pandemic is hitting their content the hardest NOW -- as life starts up again in some places, and the amount of time we all have to watch decreases (and the amount of other things that we are able and allowed to do increases). So I definitely try to be gentle on these folks who have provided so many hours of entertainment during one of the toughest periods for many of us.
I used to watch the big name CCs, like BestinSlot and a few others (I can't remember). But I stopped watching because I got tired of their complicated speedbuilds.
Then, I found a channel called "Let's Play with Saxon". Very small, only about 10 PZ videos, but it's a series about him building a franchise zoo, and even though he isn't the best builder, it was fun to watch. I also found another guy (can't remember name) who did a franchise zoo series. These are fun and inspired me to keep experimenting in franchise, while the major videos don't.
Also, I don't check out the PZ modding community on that website, but i do check out the JWE mods. Some people have great ideas, but get mocked. Then when somebody has the guts to stand up to somebody there they get shot down by everybody else. So yeah, modding community is toxic, so don't even read the posts unless you're ok with it or are trying to get more info on the mod
Then, I found a channel called "Let's Play with Saxon". Very small, only about 10 PZ videos, but it's a series about him building a franchise zoo, and even though he isn't the best builder, it was fun to watch. I also found another guy (can't remember name) who did a franchise zoo series. These are fun and inspired me to keep experimenting in franchise, while the major videos don't.
Also, I don't check out the PZ modding community on that website, but i do check out the JWE mods. Some people have great ideas, but get mocked. Then when somebody has the guts to stand up to somebody there they get shot down by everybody else. So yeah, modding community is toxic, so don't even read the posts unless you're ok with it or are trying to get more info on the mod
Speaking purely for myself, without wanting to be negative for no reason, I just don't engage with them in that way at all. I am indifferent to them. Just adding this to give a different perspective. They do stuff which some people enjoy and that's great. But it would make no difference to me if they stopped doing it all tomorrow.
I love franchise series more as well. Party Elite is my favorite for this reason. It’s like we watch the franchise and zoo grow with them. That’s what I love most
OopsModding community is very interesting. Some of them are great, but others, their attitude towards the PZ general community is just disgraceful. I still remember when some modders blamed an active forum member for opening THE leak thread (when the "news" were already everywhere ) - this was so disrespectful, and ever since, the modder community has been very low on my "respect list" (only me cares about this list, since it's MY LIST).
This doesn't mean I appreciate and respect what some of the work modders do. Some artistic and modelling work is absolutely fantastic (genuinely, some mods look marvellous).
Yeah, that was @ChicagoZohan and (to the best of my knowledge) @Harlequinz Eg0 . Never did get an apology from either, but who cares.
Also, just something I noticed yesterday. Delady made a video where she made a new meerkat habitat and she made sort of an offhand comment about how there was something she really wanted in the game (some building pieces, can't remember which) and she said something about how she's in contact with CMs about getting it added and I sorta of just thought "Wow, must be nice to have that much access". Not taking any issues with her saying that obviously, just that it was kinda crazy to me.
To the first part I quoted: I still appreciate critical or even controversial views on Frontier. Mocking (part of) the community is a different thing though.
I will never be not thankful for the time they spend with their community, the "shelter" they provided during the pandemic, the community they build and the welcomed distraction they brought. But it's no one way road. Just like content should not be a one way road. In my opinion, in this forum, among "us 20" is a lot of good thing to discuss about - but you have to be willing to maybe get another view.
Anyway, as people have said, Tobs and NZ Fanatic have a thing there with their input. So lets just assume for a moment that there is no hourglass is running. There was also shared a leak here. Now, I don't really believe it is true, as the only true thing (building pieces) could be as well shared by someone who had early access. But IF it is true, for me that would be an indicator for a longer live span, as the predicted DLC is pretty niché.
So I think the next DLC might set the tone as well. The more niché the more it's likely that Frontier will put one seller-animal in every pack (for non-zoo nerds) and just rightfully use the never ending hunger of us that love and support the game.
@Bearcat9948 maybe she could ask for 3-4 more yrs support instead lol. Anyway yeah I do imagine they probably got some pull in what goes on with the game. I still say a fan created game tops a cc game any day. Just want to say I’m not trying to throw deladysigner under the bus I like her content along with many others but yes a fan created game will always be better case in point PK. I like PZ it’s more my type of game with modern animals vs prehistoric but there were a ton of great ideas and things put into PK. Anyway like everyone else I’m hoping frontier will continue to fill the communities wants,ideas,and needs plus hopefully if the game keeps doing so well and dlc selling the way it does longer then anticipated support.
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Hey all! I want to just at least bring some more perspective into how I stand as a content creator, a forum user, a community member, and a modder, with my thoughts on the lifespan on Planet Zoo, and more. I know I've been psuedo-mentioned by a few of my peers in here, and I just want to bridge the gap between us all so we can engage in a more organic dialogue on how we're feeling about the unrest within the community. I'm friends with a lot of the other people ~kinda~ mentioned here as well so I will try my best to put their points of view, from how I interpret them in here as well.
First of all, animal packs. I will admit, I wasn't a big fan of the Southeast Asia Animal Pack. It just didn't hit right for me for a lot of reasons, but specifically one thing that a a lot of people in my line of work bring up is the lack of scenery items. The way that I see my animal exhibits, I am building for an animated prop, and the build is what captivates me more than what animal lives inside of it. Southeast Asia was a bit interesting because we've had a lot of the different animals in different ways in the past. Tapirs, Monkeys, Dogs, et cetera. It just didn't captivate me for as long as anyone else from here was - but for that I'm incredibly jealous! I'm so happy that you guys were able to milk so much life out of that pack, I just wasn't able to. I can guarantee though that if we had received the update items that we got in this one with that update - custom sounds, webcam cameras, chain link and mesh pieces, it would've went over great! It's a twofold street in this regard. If an update is great, the pack is perceived as great! Custom water and billboards were great for a bit, but they're a bit difficult to justify as one of the better updates. Necessary, yes, but not revolutionary.
I will admit though, I do not speak against animal packs. In fact, I would be TOTALLY ONBOARD with a North American Animal Pack. Give me tons of unique stuff like Sea Lions, Beavers, and more, and I'll be a happy camper. Those are interesting enough to justify interesting habitats, and would make for a ton of new opportunities for zoos and such. But I will only get behind it if the update brings enough interesting and awesome mechanics just like the Africa Pack and SEA did, but combined. Yeah, sure, it would be a lot more than normal, but it would be pretty much necessary to get myself along with my content-creator builders on-board.
And on the topic of content creators, yeah, you need to realize that they don't represent the community but they represent themselves. Hell, I can admit that I don't speak for the community at all. I'm not going to start mentioning names but we all know who the builders are, we all know who the zoo-lovers are, we know who the realism-lovers are, and we know which ones are the animal-lovers. We tend to gravitate towards those ones that we watch. Hell I have my favorites now that I need to watch their video once it comes out. I tend to side with those people too in terms of a lot of things as well - such as scenery being important in Planet Zoo.
One of my more controversial opinions has been wanting a bit more of a bigger pack, I'm talking Animal Pack and Scenery Pack combined into one at a higher price point. 8 animals and 200 props for anywhere between $15-20, which would be worthy for an expansion of that magnitude.
Anyways, going back to the argument of the same "20 people on the forums", I mean, it's kind of silly to rely on such a niche area of the community for recommendations, for feedback, for everything. It's an outdated format and I feel like the new CM's should take a plunge into developing a new Discord for the Official Planet Zoo / Frontier discussions and feedback. Forums worked for way back in the day, but nowadays they're a clunky, slow way for a user to relay information unto community leaders. I will defend the fact that you guys are passionate enough about the game that you are able to manage this site. That shows dedication - and I respect that. I engage in the same activities as you all do - but there's an incredibly underrepresented majority in other parts of the internet. We have a bustling Subreddit with tons of new posts every day, we have the Planet Zoo Discord that I moderate in with a very passionate community, we have the Modding Server, BroNation, tons of different aspects of the community that are EXTREMELY passionate about the game but don't make the trek over to the forums, but should they? I feel like nobody should feel forced to come to the forums to aire their grievances with the fact that the Aldabra Tortoise is way too small in the game. I feel like we should at least be able to meet Frontier in the middle with a Discord or something. That's the method that I prefer. But maybe I'm just an angry little Zoomer.
Even from my perspective as a modder though, I can see a ton of benefits from animal packs, but even SEA didn't provide that much in terms of interesting things. Proboscis is helpful for old-world monkeys, Babirusa is good for other suidae, but we didn't get any options for more in-depth animals that we can't manage to do - like Gibbons, Tree Kangaroos, or Siamangs. Also - props are very hard to develop for - granted my buddy [REDACTED] has made upwards of 300+ on his own, but still, it requires a huge amount of patience and they have a ton of liability in terms of workshop sharing - that's why I prefer the official content to modded. In fact, that goes for animals as well. I'm all for Frontier making more animals that we've already had modded, but only if they make it better than we can if we mod it. Take for example the African Penguin, Nick's was pretty good, granted, the mouth couldn't move - but still, pretty good. Frontier could've done better in regards to the rig itself, I wish they had arched the back down moreso like a Banded Penguin would arch, and the walking cycle is different - animations that we can't fix. But that's just a minor nitpick.
I guess this just got kinda lost, but let me try and bring it back to the centralized point at play here - the remaining DLC. [And nah I'm not gonna delete all that again, I'm way too lazy lol]
But yeah, a lot of us do expect the game to end development after 2-3 DLC's. We see patterns, and we see it happening in the same vein that they did with Planet Coaster. They had their general packs and then their coaster pack, which functions as our animal pack, and then they had a sponsored one (Ghostbusters), and I can see Frontier working with San Diego Zoo or Chester Zoo, which would make for a really cool DLC! But in reality, we know that this game won't last forever, and we want to keep you guys grounded in terms of that. Believe me, I would want this game to last for a millennium with everything from the Arctic Seas DLC to the Birds of Southeastern Quebec being added, but we know that Frontier has their priorities set straight on with JWE2 on the way, and I've come to accept that. I know as a modder that this isn't all that bad because after development ends, I don't need to constantly fix my mods from being broken (Which I don't really mind but still).
One thing that I just want you guys to know is that the Steam readings for the game don't show good for the lasting boom that the game initially had. It's slowly tapering off and while these DLC blips are good, we need to know that all good things need to come to an end, and we aren't seeing that same South America Pack boom that happened before. I'm very much a numbers guy and trends like this aren't surprising and it's something that I've come to accept. And before you say that the huge blip in April was because of SEA, don't forget - New Species Mods came out at that time too and we were starting to get around an animal a day resulting in around 150 animals for the first section.
But I don't see Planet Zoo support ending as a bad thing. Hell, I'll still be playing this game far after they're done putting out DLC's for it, and I know a lot of you here will be too. They've made a fantastic game here and I look forward to playing it for quite a long time. I just wanted to help bridge the gap between us all and try and help us to understand each other's perspective. After the last DLC drops, I'll still keep playing, I'll still keep modding, and heck I'll probably play a different game here or there but when it all boils down to it, it's a good game and I've had a ton of fun with it, and I know there's still a ton more fun to be had!
Not sure if this helps the discussion or adds more fuel to the fire, but cheers y'all.
First of all, animal packs. I will admit, I wasn't a big fan of the Southeast Asia Animal Pack. It just didn't hit right for me for a lot of reasons, but specifically one thing that a a lot of people in my line of work bring up is the lack of scenery items. The way that I see my animal exhibits, I am building for an animated prop, and the build is what captivates me more than what animal lives inside of it. Southeast Asia was a bit interesting because we've had a lot of the different animals in different ways in the past. Tapirs, Monkeys, Dogs, et cetera. It just didn't captivate me for as long as anyone else from here was - but for that I'm incredibly jealous! I'm so happy that you guys were able to milk so much life out of that pack, I just wasn't able to. I can guarantee though that if we had received the update items that we got in this one with that update - custom sounds, webcam cameras, chain link and mesh pieces, it would've went over great! It's a twofold street in this regard. If an update is great, the pack is perceived as great! Custom water and billboards were great for a bit, but they're a bit difficult to justify as one of the better updates. Necessary, yes, but not revolutionary.
I will admit though, I do not speak against animal packs. In fact, I would be TOTALLY ONBOARD with a North American Animal Pack. Give me tons of unique stuff like Sea Lions, Beavers, and more, and I'll be a happy camper. Those are interesting enough to justify interesting habitats, and would make for a ton of new opportunities for zoos and such. But I will only get behind it if the update brings enough interesting and awesome mechanics just like the Africa Pack and SEA did, but combined. Yeah, sure, it would be a lot more than normal, but it would be pretty much necessary to get myself along with my content-creator builders on-board.
And on the topic of content creators, yeah, you need to realize that they don't represent the community but they represent themselves. Hell, I can admit that I don't speak for the community at all. I'm not going to start mentioning names but we all know who the builders are, we all know who the zoo-lovers are, we know who the realism-lovers are, and we know which ones are the animal-lovers. We tend to gravitate towards those ones that we watch. Hell I have my favorites now that I need to watch their video once it comes out. I tend to side with those people too in terms of a lot of things as well - such as scenery being important in Planet Zoo.
One of my more controversial opinions has been wanting a bit more of a bigger pack, I'm talking Animal Pack and Scenery Pack combined into one at a higher price point. 8 animals and 200 props for anywhere between $15-20, which would be worthy for an expansion of that magnitude.
Anyways, going back to the argument of the same "20 people on the forums", I mean, it's kind of silly to rely on such a niche area of the community for recommendations, for feedback, for everything. It's an outdated format and I feel like the new CM's should take a plunge into developing a new Discord for the Official Planet Zoo / Frontier discussions and feedback. Forums worked for way back in the day, but nowadays they're a clunky, slow way for a user to relay information unto community leaders. I will defend the fact that you guys are passionate enough about the game that you are able to manage this site. That shows dedication - and I respect that. I engage in the same activities as you all do - but there's an incredibly underrepresented majority in other parts of the internet. We have a bustling Subreddit with tons of new posts every day, we have the Planet Zoo Discord that I moderate in with a very passionate community, we have the Modding Server, BroNation, tons of different aspects of the community that are EXTREMELY passionate about the game but don't make the trek over to the forums, but should they? I feel like nobody should feel forced to come to the forums to aire their grievances with the fact that the Aldabra Tortoise is way too small in the game. I feel like we should at least be able to meet Frontier in the middle with a Discord or something. That's the method that I prefer. But maybe I'm just an angry little Zoomer.
Even from my perspective as a modder though, I can see a ton of benefits from animal packs, but even SEA didn't provide that much in terms of interesting things. Proboscis is helpful for old-world monkeys, Babirusa is good for other suidae, but we didn't get any options for more in-depth animals that we can't manage to do - like Gibbons, Tree Kangaroos, or Siamangs. Also - props are very hard to develop for - granted my buddy [REDACTED] has made upwards of 300+ on his own, but still, it requires a huge amount of patience and they have a ton of liability in terms of workshop sharing - that's why I prefer the official content to modded. In fact, that goes for animals as well. I'm all for Frontier making more animals that we've already had modded, but only if they make it better than we can if we mod it. Take for example the African Penguin, Nick's was pretty good, granted, the mouth couldn't move - but still, pretty good. Frontier could've done better in regards to the rig itself, I wish they had arched the back down moreso like a Banded Penguin would arch, and the walking cycle is different - animations that we can't fix. But that's just a minor nitpick.
I guess this just got kinda lost, but let me try and bring it back to the centralized point at play here - the remaining DLC. [And nah I'm not gonna delete all that again, I'm way too lazy lol]
But yeah, a lot of us do expect the game to end development after 2-3 DLC's. We see patterns, and we see it happening in the same vein that they did with Planet Coaster. They had their general packs and then their coaster pack, which functions as our animal pack, and then they had a sponsored one (Ghostbusters), and I can see Frontier working with San Diego Zoo or Chester Zoo, which would make for a really cool DLC! But in reality, we know that this game won't last forever, and we want to keep you guys grounded in terms of that. Believe me, I would want this game to last for a millennium with everything from the Arctic Seas DLC to the Birds of Southeastern Quebec being added, but we know that Frontier has their priorities set straight on with JWE2 on the way, and I've come to accept that. I know as a modder that this isn't all that bad because after development ends, I don't need to constantly fix my mods from being broken (Which I don't really mind but still).
One thing that I just want you guys to know is that the Steam readings for the game don't show good for the lasting boom that the game initially had. It's slowly tapering off and while these DLC blips are good, we need to know that all good things need to come to an end, and we aren't seeing that same South America Pack boom that happened before. I'm very much a numbers guy and trends like this aren't surprising and it's something that I've come to accept. And before you say that the huge blip in April was because of SEA, don't forget - New Species Mods came out at that time too and we were starting to get around an animal a day resulting in around 150 animals for the first section.
But I don't see Planet Zoo support ending as a bad thing. Hell, I'll still be playing this game far after they're done putting out DLC's for it, and I know a lot of you here will be too. They've made a fantastic game here and I look forward to playing it for quite a long time. I just wanted to help bridge the gap between us all and try and help us to understand each other's perspective. After the last DLC drops, I'll still keep playing, I'll still keep modding, and heck I'll probably play a different game here or there but when it all boils down to it, it's a good game and I've had a ton of fun with it, and I know there's still a ton more fun to be had!
Not sure if this helps the discussion or adds more fuel to the fire, but cheers y'all.
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@Leaf Productions You and I have spoken privately so you know how I feel, but for the sake of everyone else I'll put down my thoughts here.
I'm on board with CMs using forums, Discord, Reddit whatever for feedback. I was trying to get them on the subreddit for a while last summer but that didn't work out, which is why I joined the forums in the first place.
I think you, myself and pretty much everyone here agree it really shouldn't be an "us vs them" mentality between platforms (which itself is ridiculous because many of us use multiple. Like, I'm on the subreddit literally every single day since last winter). That's why it was so jarring to see D*** and S*W* be completely dismissive of "all 20" of the forums users. Whilst also claiming that "we don't speak for the community". Obviously, we don't. Everyone here knows that and has never tried to claim otherwise, I promise. And those two should realize they don't speak for the community either. Together, both us and them, we make up a community and everyone is welcome to share their ideas and feedback (and really, most of the stuff on here is in good faith).
I really don't care if they want to go after the forum itself, that's just code. But they specifically talked down about the people, their viewers, members of their same community (some of them being good friends even!), and then they laughed about. That's what doesn't sit well for me personally.
I'm on board with CMs using forums, Discord, Reddit whatever for feedback. I was trying to get them on the subreddit for a while last summer but that didn't work out, which is why I joined the forums in the first place.
I think you, myself and pretty much everyone here agree it really shouldn't be an "us vs them" mentality between platforms (which itself is ridiculous because many of us use multiple. Like, I'm on the subreddit literally every single day since last winter). That's why it was so jarring to see D*** and S*W* be completely dismissive of "all 20" of the forums users. Whilst also claiming that "we don't speak for the community". Obviously, we don't. Everyone here knows that and has never tried to claim otherwise, I promise. And those two should realize they don't speak for the community either. Together, both us and them, we make up a community and everyone is welcome to share their ideas and feedback (and really, most of the stuff on here is in good faith).
I really don't care if they want to go after the forum itself, that's just code. But they specifically talked down about the people, their viewers, members of their same community (some of them being good friends even!), and then they laughed about. That's what doesn't sit well for me personally.
THIS! There is a HUGE difference between criticizing the platform a company uses for their communication and getting feedback. It's a totally different thing to dismiss, insult and mock part of the community. On the mic and in the chat. The irony of calling the forum toxic in the same blink of an eye was another level of irony, by the way.
On a side notes: We are all adults on here, responsible for our own actions, words and hopes, wishes and beliefs for the games future. Nobody needs to be protected from anybody. And in the end if the day we are ALL speculating and have our "proofs" for our arguments.
-Everyone is free to defend whether they prefer "classic" or "animal" DLC. All opinions are valid.
-Everyone plays this game differently. Most CC I follow enjoy building, and I'm totally fine with that. I accept and respect their view and opinion why they prefer the classic DLC. I have no issues with that - and I'm pretty sure no one has any issue with that. As I said, everyone plays this game differently.
-Everyone knows that there will be a day when PZ support will end. I do not think we can draw 100% parallelisms between PlanCo and PlanZoo. Yes, they share some features, but overall, the games are different. And the non-written reason why PlanCo stop development was... hem... performance. Many times in this forum I've posted my views why PlanZoo and PlanCo are different (Frontier was a diff company with PlanCo, PlanCo had a direct competitor, performance was a big issue, limited number of rides,...). I've also share why I think the development of PlanZoo is longer than many of the CC anticipate.
Sorry Leaf, but ever since the Aquatic Pack I've been listening to CC talking about "there are only 1-2 DLC left", some of them even advocating for "now I don't even think birds will come" or "it looks like Frontier is stepping away from simulation games - but then JWE2 happened". LOL. I'll be extremely happy to regurgitate your post next Summer "remembering the 2-3 DLC left" - and I'm sure that will be the case. In my eyes, this is everything but supporting - as I've said it many times, and I do not regret saying it, some members of the community are really eager to see PZ development die.
-If part of the community don't want to share their views, opinions, ideas, criticisms in the forums... I'm sorry - at this point it's their problem. There are many reasons why Frontier doesn't want to rely on third party platforms like reddit/discord or whatnot... probably due to data protection regulation (I know you lot in the US don't care that much about it, but here in Europe, we care A LOT). Your post sounds a lot like the "silent majority" - you know, Frontier has made it pretty much clear, both in the forums and CM in many live streams, that the preferred way to communicate feedback are the forums - and if they don't want to participate in the forums, then what can I do? I'm not one of the most active Forum members either, but if I feel my opinion / criticism / view is of value to the community, I'll be here typing on my desk (like now
)-What's totally unacceptable is looking down at some parts of the community. As a community we are stronger accepting and appreciating each others opinions, views and criticisms.
PS I don't want to engage in a pointless fight, but PZ users whose motivation to play are mods are a minuscule proportion.
Hello, it is me, bringing us back on topic.
After thinking about it my most likely conclusion would be something allong the likes of atleast 4 dlc, likely more, for reasons allready pointed out in the thread.
1: Na animal pack
Everyone and their mother is expecting this one and i would say its quite the save bet. They could also throw us an oddball with europe first, but i would think one of them will come now and one of them next year, with one being an animal pack and one a classic pack.
2: Aviaries
The fact that the cobra engine is updating and that frontier is a company both lend to belive, that they port asserts over to planet zoo and expand on them.
We all know that if just for monetary gain, when they have allready figured it out for JPE2 then they can port it over and have one of the most lucrative dlcs.
I would expect a starting raster of 6-12 birds, but not more.
3: Europe pack
Rounding out the continents would be what ever wasnt here in fall. I think thats a quite uncontroversial and likely take.
4: Oceania animal pack
Listen up, this is good
We all want some more australian animals and there would be no better time then a summer dlc after we got aviaries in winter. This dlc could add the tasmanian devil, emu, wombat, wallaby, kiwi and 2 flying birds my suggestions would be the greater bird of paradise and either the kea, rainbowlorikeet or kokaburra.
Im quite sure most of the community would love such a pack and oceania could be considerd "finished" and without any major need for new animals anymore (even though they would be nice and welcome)
Afterwards it depends on how long they want to keep the support going, but animals i would expect that wouldnt be couverd with these dlc andprobbably will be in thefinal raster:
Capybara: Yeah no its just to popular. It will probably either spearhead a secound south american pack or an tropical pack
Leopard: Same case, frontrunner for being the poster child of an endangerd animal pack.
And thats it. I personally hope for more regional packs but on the first 4 im quite certain and hopefull for them
After thinking about it my most likely conclusion would be something allong the likes of atleast 4 dlc, likely more, for reasons allready pointed out in the thread.
1: Na animal pack
Everyone and their mother is expecting this one and i would say its quite the save bet. They could also throw us an oddball with europe first, but i would think one of them will come now and one of them next year, with one being an animal pack and one a classic pack.
2: Aviaries
The fact that the cobra engine is updating and that frontier is a company both lend to belive, that they port asserts over to planet zoo and expand on them.
We all know that if just for monetary gain, when they have allready figured it out for JPE2 then they can port it over and have one of the most lucrative dlcs.
I would expect a starting raster of 6-12 birds, but not more.
3: Europe pack
Rounding out the continents would be what ever wasnt here in fall. I think thats a quite uncontroversial and likely take.
4: Oceania animal pack
Listen up, this is good
We all want some more australian animals and there would be no better time then a summer dlc after we got aviaries in winter. This dlc could add the tasmanian devil, emu, wombat, wallaby, kiwi and 2 flying birds my suggestions would be the greater bird of paradise and either the kea, rainbowlorikeet or kokaburra.
Im quite sure most of the community would love such a pack and oceania could be considerd "finished" and without any major need for new animals anymore (even though they would be nice and welcome)
Afterwards it depends on how long they want to keep the support going, but animals i would expect that wouldnt be couverd with these dlc andprobbably will be in thefinal raster:
Capybara: Yeah no its just to popular. It will probably either spearhead a secound south american pack or an tropical pack
Leopard: Same case, frontrunner for being the poster child of an endangerd animal pack.
And thats it. I personally hope for more regional packs but on the first 4 im quite certain and hopefull for them
I’ll just say this I haven’t personally seen this video and quite honestly this is the first time hearing about this as well. But it really is a shame I mean the viewer is their reason for being in YouTube so if you lose them then you lose everything. I just enjoy PZ and really don’t buy into what anyone says. But yes the community matters right down from the cc to the regular average player and I’ve seen people on these forums share some pretty darn good ideas. Everyone has their own vision what PZ should be and opinions will always vary but no one’s opinion is superior to anyone else. I feel like the communities ideas have made this game better for everybody. The variation although subtle in animals color wise has made a huge difference for me instead of every animal being exactly the same. The polar bear requirements among other things have made the game more enjoyable for everyone.
I really think they could either put the capybara and a couple of another SA animals with 5 NA animals and have it just represent the Americas instead of solely NA. While we did get a SA pack already, there's just as many SA habitat animals in the game as there are NA currently, and while NA would likely take focus in the pack, having a mixture of the two may be a selling point in getting the strongest representation of those remaining animals left. And as you said, the capybara - it's too popular and too heavily requested at this point for them not to do it. Moose, Cougar, Capybara - the three animals I would say have a near 100% chance of being in the game.
The Leopard I also think should be added, and your idea for an endangered animal pack is a good one. Or, just let NA be a NA only release, and have another pack include some various "essentials", the leopard, the alpine inbex, the capybara and a few others.
nah man, i dont want an allstar pack. I see where you are coming from, but personally i feel like it would hurt the lifespan of the game.
I would bet, aslong as the dlc are selling strong we will get more, but for that i feel an all eggs in one basket approach would hurt the frontier, the game and us in the long run, even though i see the appeal. I also agree about the ibex, mouse and cougar, but im quite sure we will see all of them in the na and europe packs, as they would be the logical choices.
If i would take a definitive guess i would say 6 more packs, with the capybara and leopard each headlining one of their own, as many people would buy a dlc just for them
I definitely follow your logic there. Doing something like giving us as many "most wanted" animals as they could justifiable fit under the theme would likely send the message to some that the game is ending "soon", even if it's not. and I can understand why it would have that perception as well. The thought about a headlining animals makes sense too, although the last two packs have truly had two headliners, by going by their videos revealing the packs. (rhino/meerkat and c. leopard/sun bar) - another idea for a fun guessing game thread, ha.
Hopefully whenever they do wrap up, be it next year, 2023 or 5 -6 years from now however unlikely that long of support is, they'll have a good enough feeling on overall remaining most wanted and try to do a wrap up DLC for that.
thats something i can sign. For the last dlc ever? yes. Anyone before that? Hell nah, frontier your a buissness, you want money, i want to give you my money, pls dont be so stupid.
My main thing with that is, for every frontrunner animal we get atleast 2-3 more less liekly but still wanted and needed animal. Some example would be the dhole, dallsheep, reindeer, cassowary, dingo, binturong and more, all great animals , but none of them would have come if they wouldnt be in the game now "their time would have been missed" and we would only get a mixed bag of potential flagships
My main thing with that is, for every frontrunner animal we get atleast 2-3 more less liekly but still wanted and needed animal. Some example would be the dhole, dallsheep, reindeer, cassowary, dingo, binturong and more, all great animals , but none of them would have come if they wouldnt be in the game now "their time would have been missed" and we would only get a mixed bag of potential flagships