I'm just going to highlight this one line here, because that is some paternalistic nonsense dude. Everyone can see the patterns, but not everyone thinks it's relevant, and it isn't up to you or anyone else to "keep us grounded".
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Tbh i think most people here are quite grounded, atleast the regulars are.
But on the same time to grounded.
If you are just stating what you think is likely but neither what you dream or what you wish for then thats a boring discussion.
The wild picks are what makes it interesting, not what everyone has basicly figured out at this point.
But on the same time to grounded.
If you are just stating what you think is likely but neither what you dream or what you wish for then thats a boring discussion.
The wild picks are what makes it interesting, not what everyone has basicly figured out at this point.
Sorry, I didn't mean to pull the conversation back, but that one line really got under my skin.
Anyway, you're dead right. Wishlists are, if nothing else, fun. If it was just about what is likely then I'd never bother mentioning the kiwi for example, because I'm pretty certain it's never coming.
I think I could probably come up with ten years worth of new content for this game if I really wanted to. Forty new packs? Why not? There's no shortage of zoo animals in the world.
Dont worry, everythings cool. What you said also needed to be said. If it was for me, we would have every day some madlad representing his dream pack with some thought and details in the wishlist, i would learn about some cool animals and think "yeah man, now that was some good , i would love that"
Im just not gonna hold back on that, if i have a cool idear i will do it and if no one else chares my enthusiasm it sucks but i still put it out for the world and frontier to see.
If anything i have shown that theres atleast one idiot open and ready to pump more money into this game then in any other and would love to do so with some more imaginary and outthere pack.
Also its fun to learn stuff, like did you do that the animal living in the highest alltitude of the world is a jumping spider eating mostly the corpses of insects blown up by the wind?
I sure didnt before i researched animals that live in the Himalaya
Im just not gonna hold back on that, if i have a cool idear i will do it and if no one else chares my enthusiasm it sucks but i still put it out for the world and frontier to see.
If anything i have shown that theres atleast one idiot open and ready to pump more money into this game then in any other and would love to do so with some more imaginary and outthere pack.
Also its fun to learn stuff, like did you do that the animal living in the highest alltitude of the world is a jumping spider eating mostly the corpses of insects blown up by the wind?
I sure didnt before i researched animals that live in the Himalaya
I'm not seeing that connection. Cobra engine update -> aviaries.
I'm certainly not dismissing aviaries
but could be other things as well.Including: Preparing PZ for console port. (JWE2 will be available for PC and consoles)
Lucrative really depends on the actual feature and price. If it's just a "exhibit-animals plus" type feature - not sure if people will buy the full price for that.
Aviaries is highly requested but there's also a group who really don't care about flying birds and just want more habitat animals.
Sadly this happens with a lot of games. "this game is dead or dying" videos are very common on YT.
Don't know where the problem lies. The CC stating his opinion as a fact or people taking his opinion and translating it to a fact.
I agree but there is a small group of people who believe that if a lot of people buy DLC, they "have" to support the game longer.
And seen people somewhat expecting 5-10 years of support because there's no other zoo game. (that's not Frontier's problem)
But there's no proof that's going to happen, neither do we have proof of end of support.
My personal view: Somewhere between 2-3 years support - just based on my own games library.
I don't think a game with 5-7K active players (at the same time) will have a 5, 7 or 10 years support. Love to be wrong on that one but just sounds unlikely.
People love to compare to TheSim4 (in 2021 a record daily players), Civilization VI (which has an active playerbase 10x that of PZ) but PZ is not on that level.
Also a discount week. They had a pretty good deal if you wanted to buy the game. The steam forum had a lot of beginner questions during that time.
I think it's good to monitor how well this DLC will do. Maybe somewhat unfair to compare because atm for a lot of countries the covid-19 regulations are being lifted.
I imagine like many a NA pack will be next. I know a lot of ideas have been thrown around and I’ve heard a Madagascar pack suggestion I mean this could be cool but truthfully there’s really only one animal I want from this pack idea and that’s a Fossa. I just can’t get excited about this idea honestly and I’m sure we all got that one pack that it’s not necessarily that you wouldn’t take it but there’s just others you’d rather have. I imagine this would have to be a 4+1 pack and a dummerals boa would make a great exhibit animal. But like I said I’ll buy any pack they come out with and by no means any disrespect to players who would love a Madagascar pack. The endangered pack idea makes a lot of sense and truthfully is probably planned. I can’t believe we haven’t seen one already tbh. I love the European pack idea and one animal that’s grown on me would be the Eurasian badger. I’m not sure how common they are in zoos but I know they’d be in about 70% of mine on game. I seen someone suggesting a black swan in a bird related post and that would be a great animal to include at some point. And we need a aves pack for sure but will see if frontier throws us a couple of surprise packs nobody really seen coming in the future.
Seems like im doing a good job talking about stuff i like that i allready get refrenced multiple times
We shouldn't forget though, that Chanté said "I think we can give it a go" or something like that, when someone asks if there will be more animal packs in the future. So there is at least an animal pack planned and I wouldn't be surprised if it would be next one.
However, I wish NA would not be an animal pack - but that's just because I would love to have the western pieces from Planco to brought over to PC I'm afraid ^^. At least in european zoos, theming the NA section western style is not totally uncommon.
However, I wish NA would not be an animal pack - but that's just because I would love to have the western pieces from Planco to brought over to PC I'm afraid ^^. At least in european zoos, theming the NA section western style is not totally uncommon.
Yeah some frontier badum tzz pieces would be a blessing, especally as its also one of the cheaper and more common themes rl
I don't really know if NA/Europe will be next, if we hadn't gotten the leak, I would have never guessed that we would get an African pack. Anything is possible in my opinion. I do have to say, that I believe an aviary pack of some sorts is very likely at the end of the year. One of my ideas is what if they release another 4+1 pack (+ building set, of course) in September (continent or biome based) and then an aviary animal pack in December. With the updates, we could receive additional mesh/aviary pieces to make up for the lack of building pieces. I would like a mix of ground-dwelling birds, perhaps 2-3, and the rest to be actual flying birds. I do believe getting birds is a question of when not if. Once they bring flying into the game (however they decide to implement it), it will open up so many possibilities for future packs.
I have a little personal wish. I would be thrilled when the next pack comes out (probably September/October) that they add some minor autumn/Halloween decorations as they did with the Arctic pack and Christmas/holiday props. Perhaps just some pumpkins, scarecrows, crates, corn, and wreaths, nothing too theme-parky. It's because I love autumn and everything about it. Last year I made a tiny zoo called Pumpkin zoo with only 3 animals, and I want to do something similar this year as well. I just love that time of year, and I like to fully immerse myself in it.
I have a little personal wish. I would be thrilled when the next pack comes out (probably September/October) that they add some minor autumn/Halloween decorations as they did with the Arctic pack and Christmas/holiday props. Perhaps just some pumpkins, scarecrows, crates, corn, and wreaths, nothing too theme-parky. It's because I love autumn and everything about it. Last year I made a tiny zoo called Pumpkin zoo with only 3 animals, and I want to do something similar this year as well. I just love that time of year, and I like to fully immerse myself in it.
There was also a PZ sale in the middle of May IIRC.
The early April "peak" is probably accounted for Easter + DLC + sale (but there's always been a Steam PZ sale after DLC release).
I dont even know why the number of actively playing people matters so much to a simulation game. With these types of games, people pick it up, play for some time, then usually get burned out of it, take some time of it, then come back to it. I think it is unreasonable to expect the numbers to be as high as some other games. Its a game you play whenever you have time or when you just feel like it, its not something that most people will play on daily basis as they do with online games that they can play with friends, or RPGs that you usually try to finish in a period of time.
Like I said, what does it matter to Frontier if the daily players are 6k, or even 3k as long as people buy the next DLC? Online games perhaps depends on the daily numbers, this game does not. There are alot of people that will pick up the new dlc, but still not play as much as some of us. I even see it here on the forums, there are several people that I only see around whenever a new dlc drops, then slowly dissapears. But as long as they bought the DLC, Frontier as a company would not care.
Like I said, what does it matter to Frontier if the daily players are 6k, or even 3k as long as people buy the next DLC? Online games perhaps depends on the daily numbers, this game does not. There are alot of people that will pick up the new dlc, but still not play as much as some of us. I even see it here on the forums, there are several people that I only see around whenever a new dlc drops, then slowly dissapears. But as long as they bought the DLC, Frontier as a company would not care.
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Surely one of the aims for this game would be for it to end bigger and with more content than Planet Coaster, a brilliant game of course but players will want to see some kind of evolution and we have had a lot of that in Planet Zoo already. But I think this could also mean that way more DLC than Planet Coaster might be a goal.
Including the licensed movie stuff Planet Coaster seems to have 11 packs. So far there are 6 for Planet Zoo....... I know we're a long way down the road already with this game but I really think we're only half way there.
Including the licensed movie stuff Planet Coaster seems to have 11 packs. So far there are 6 for Planet Zoo....... I know we're a long way down the road already with this game but I really think we're only half way there.
This.
As much as I like and support modding, the impact of mods on the number of daily PZ players is minimal based on the amount of copies PZ (and its DLCs) has sold.
I could write a whole essay about how inappropiate and insensitive that conversation between these two content creators was, to each their own.
@Leaf Productions, I appreciate the fact that you at least come here and contribute to the debate from a content creator perspective. Props to you. However, I don't think people here need to be lectured on how to manage expectations.
I'll just say that, outdated or not, this platform is the main source of feedback for Frontier, aside maybe 2 really big content creators with actual internal insight into PZ. Not only is this place the main platform to provide feedback but it is undoubtedly the most organized one. I also use reddit, discord, write comments on YT and what not, but taking feedback from such platforms would be a total mess and it'd be almost impossible to keep track of all the comments, suggestions, bug reports etc. (it's even hard now in the forums, lol).
Leaving aside the fact that we're not just the same 20 vocal people here, it's obvious that nobody in this forum is representative of a majority of the PZ community. And I honestly don't see how two content creators (and/or their few hundred viewers) are more representative either.
If anything, the countless feedback threads, animal wishlists etc. prove how big the forum community is too. Like, take the animals meta-wishlist thread, for instance. Afaik, there has not been a bigger piece of PZ feedback in terms of participation (almost 200 people) in any other platform. That's probably more than any other content creator community has provided in terms of animals suggestions so far.
I don't think the forum community deserves being disregarded like that. And it certainly doesn't deserve to be called a toxic place. Lol, there is one specific discord where people often post forums posts and laugh or mock at them. I guess that's not toxic. It amazes me that now this fourm can be considered toxic, particularly towards Frontier, while until very recently I've been reading countless times on that discord people saying that the forum is just a Frontier fanclub.
What's more, these same content creators have often praised Frontier's work and right after undervalued their PZ packs because "you build new exhibits for 4 animals in 1-2 weeks and then what"). Maybe that's not Frontier's fault? Isn't that the laziest level of criticism?
Like c'mon, consistency...
Anyway, sort of back to the topic. Planco and PZ are not 100% comparable when it comes to DLC content. But if we insist on comparing them, steamcharts data is irrefutable:
-Planet Zoo average daily players in June 2021 (1 year and 7 months after release): 3824.
-Planet Coaster average daily players in June 2018 (1 year and 7 months after release): 2089.
It speaks for itself.
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The steam charts is probably the only objective parameter we have to observe players engagement. We can see whether it goes up, down or maintain. But aside from that, we can't really draw big conclusions if you ask me.
At the end of the day what really matters is how well (or bad) the game is performing for Frontier. That we don't really know, but based on Frontier financial information, we know that so far PlanZoo is performing better than PlanCo.
Really?? As an American that is news to me. Most of the time our NA sections are themed to Native American culture or Yellowstone
Yeah, ofc. I think i mentioned similar back in april or May. Only that time in April I've heard more People talking about it. I think the offered pack was more interesting?
But also the free update, a lot of people log in to check the free stuff and you mentioned Easter which is some extra spare time.
I think you should take all factors in account. Which actually makes Steamdb somewhat unpredictable.
Edit: a lot - damn phone
I don't think its unreasonable. Those numbers for any game aren't high. Its not low either. I think you are right about People putting a pause in gaming but dont think they will buy dlc when you aren't fully commited to the game.
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In germany it's considered insensetive to dress as a native american, so probably that's also the reason why zoos here usually don't theme native american. We usually use the goldmining stuff.
In total there were 11 paid ones but there were 8 themed packs for PC.
3 packs were minor additions. Maybe somewhat comparable if PZ would have separate scenery/building pieces DLC or an only 2 animal pack??
Imo a 2,99 dlc is something different than a 9,99-10,99 one.
And PZ had 6 themed packs + the deluxe one.
I don't think comparing Frontier games is going to work with this one. We don't have many Frontier games to compare to, to have a reliable expectation.