I added this and specifically noted they should give it the binturong's upside down hanging animations, as this species of pangolin also has a prehensile tail and is capable of hanging upside down
Small, easy changes for 1.7 (My suggestions list, v4.0)
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So that leads to a bunch of confusion as to whether or not they were trying to depict wild or domestic bactrians correct?
That might explain the whole "not being able to close to guests despite being domesticated" issue if they were meant to be wild ones.
Domesticated animals can also be dangerous. Lots of people are killed by cows every year. Just because something is domesticated, doesn't mean it is suitable for a walk through enclosure.
I don't know how difficult this would be, but I would suggest having exhibit animals giving birth to actual babies instead of "young adults". It feels really weird and gross to me, especially with their offspring being able to breed despite not being fully mature (as far as I am aware).
On the downside, I think that might mean remodeling most of the juveniles to resemble specific stages of their lifespan (ex: beetle larvae, frog tadpoles). Though this should help differentiate players about which are the adults and which are the offspring.
On the downside, I think that might mean remodeling most of the juveniles to resemble specific stages of their lifespan (ex: beetle larvae, frog tadpoles). Though this should help differentiate players about which are the adults and which are the offspring.
Fair point actually!
In Sandbox Mode you can now turn off escapes. They won't add such a feature to Franchise or Challenge because then it defeats the purpose of those game modes. The doors are just props, they aren't supposed to be interactive, and again, in Sandbox with escapes turned off you can now build a habitat with the null barrier and put peafowl in it and they won't wander off, but otherwise because of the way animals work (tied to habitats) they won't be able to make them free roaming without other drastic changes.
Most of the walkthrough animals in the game shouldn't actually be walkthrough animals anyway (like the giant anteater - that's just absurd, they are super dangerous and often kill people).
Or the penguins, tapir and pangolin. The king penguin is obvious enough, and for the rest... the idea that a zoo would allow common guests to walkthrough the habitat of an endangered or critically endangered animal is completely laughable. I have 0 hope they would remove the walkthrough from either of those 4, that's the only reason I didn't include them. They absolutely should not be however.
Tapirs aren't walkthrough. I've tried amd guests have ran away. And I don't think penguins are either
The penguins are walkthrough animals, not so sure about tapirs.
The used to be, guess they actually removed it? Points still stand for the others though
Edit. I am mistaken, I was misremembering a thread that was discussing adding that for tapirs, which I was against at the time. But they never actually were.
While we are proposing name changes there are a few others going all the way back to the base game that need to be fixed.
1) Formosan Black Bear. Change to Asian or Asiatic Black Bear. I do not understand Frontier's insistence on pigeonholing certain animals into overly exclusive subspecies. Designating this the Formosan subspecies serves no purpose other than making it difficult to utilize. It's name is not recognizable to the vast majority of the public, it's not visually unique, it doesn't have a special conservation status, and it's not common in zoos. Who's design decision was this? The Asian Black Bear would have been much more inclusive, and sacrificed nothing.
2) West African Lion. Change to African Lion (Panthera leo). This is another pointless subspecies designation. This inclusion is particularly dated because the West African lion, P. l. senegalensis, is an old taxonomic name no longer in use. Most zoos display generic lions, because they do not know their specific genetics and they cannot be visually differentiated. The only reason to designate a lion subspecies, Northern lion (Panthera leo leo) or Southern African lion (P. l. melanochaita), is if the planned to someday include the Asiatic lion which is also P. l. leo.
3) Timber Wolf to Grey Wolf. This topic has already been well-covered. Gray wolf is the more well known and inclusive term that should replace Timber wolf. The term timber wolf is most commonly associated with several subspecies in North America.
4) Ussuri Dhole. Again why do we need a specific subspecies? We get so few animals to start. The animals they do include should be made as flexible as possible. (This is the same reason people are arguing for additional biome tags on multiple animals). Frontier's models are hardly accurate enough that we can differentiate one subspecies from another. In fact the first dhole model they released didn't look like any type of dhole.
Which the exception of certain infamous subspecies such as the Siberian tiger (which would have been missed by the public, and is still commonly represented in zoos) I do not see any reason to include subspecies in the game.
1) Formosan Black Bear. Change to Asian or Asiatic Black Bear. I do not understand Frontier's insistence on pigeonholing certain animals into overly exclusive subspecies. Designating this the Formosan subspecies serves no purpose other than making it difficult to utilize. It's name is not recognizable to the vast majority of the public, it's not visually unique, it doesn't have a special conservation status, and it's not common in zoos. Who's design decision was this? The Asian Black Bear would have been much more inclusive, and sacrificed nothing.
2) West African Lion. Change to African Lion (Panthera leo). This is another pointless subspecies designation. This inclusion is particularly dated because the West African lion, P. l. senegalensis, is an old taxonomic name no longer in use. Most zoos display generic lions, because they do not know their specific genetics and they cannot be visually differentiated. The only reason to designate a lion subspecies, Northern lion (Panthera leo leo) or Southern African lion (P. l. melanochaita), is if the planned to someday include the Asiatic lion which is also P. l. leo.
3) Timber Wolf to Grey Wolf. This topic has already been well-covered. Gray wolf is the more well known and inclusive term that should replace Timber wolf. The term timber wolf is most commonly associated with several subspecies in North America.
4) Ussuri Dhole. Again why do we need a specific subspecies? We get so few animals to start. The animals they do include should be made as flexible as possible. (This is the same reason people are arguing for additional biome tags on multiple animals). Frontier's models are hardly accurate enough that we can differentiate one subspecies from another. In fact the first dhole model they released didn't look like any type of dhole.
Which the exception of certain infamous subspecies such as the Siberian tiger (which would have been missed by the public, and is still commonly represented in zoos) I do not see any reason to include subspecies in the game.
Technically it should just be "Lion" if we're doing that. Personally I'd advocate for "Northern Lion", though.
There's the Asiatic kind though, which are a whole different species.
No it isn't, it belongs to the Panther leo leo subspecies, same as the West African lion and the barbary lion.
Thank you for the correction! Did not know beforehand.
Northern Lion does sound good actually. Though does that mean the IUCN status has to change as well?
Possibly. The IUCN gets complicated between species/subspecies/subpopulation. West African lions are extremely rare in zoos, though. Most zoo populations belong to the southern subspecies, P. leo melanochaita, usually from the "Southern African lion" population, and a few zoos maintain breeding programmes for the Asiatic lions. In a perfect world I'd change the West African lion to the Asiatic lion (so we still have an endangered lion from the P. l. leo subspecies), while simultaneously adding in the southern African lion so we still have a "classic" lion in-game. It's not a perfect world, though, so Northern Lion would suffice for me.
I was going to say the exact same thing.
I had even readied a picture from the wikipedia article showing this behavior.