Taking a break until EDO is fixed.

[Harbinger]

But move forward to what? Odyssey had bad perfomance reviews, and now bad content reviews are comming too. Like the Hawkes Gaming Tuber, that said something along the lines of " Unlocking Engineers and Lvl 5 Weapons/Suits leaves you with no content beyond".

Even if they manage to get it working on Consoles, will people still buy it?

This last 2 month have been a massive roller coaster. They have a lot to think about, and that includes whether they want to risk releasing Odyssey in the current content state on console.

The current budget to May 31st 2022 is already costed in. If they get there and they haven't shipped at least 1m units of Odyssey across all platforms (what they were projecting) then I'm sure they'll have to take a long hard look at the budget going forward but it's not a huge target within 12 months on both PC and consoles.

What they're not going to do is make knee jerk reactions like sabotaging their 1m target by not releasing the console versions at all. It won't be in the current state in 4-5 months. It will be in the state it is at that time and whilst it certainly seems to be content light for now we can't know for sure if things are being purposely withheld until the console players enter the fray.

 

[Juniper]

What they're not going to do is make knee jerk reactions like sabotaging their 1m target by not releasing the console versions at all. It won't be in the current state in 4-5 months. It will be in the state it is at that time and whilst it certainly seems to be content light for now we can't know for sure if things are being purposely withheld until the console players enter the fray.

Is that the same as "Don't worry, we have a much more advanced build in another branch - the alpha won't be what is released." ?

 

[StanleyDunkan]

The current budget to May 31st 2022 is already costed in. If they get there and they haven't shipped at least 1m units of Odyssey across all platforms (what they were projecting) then I'm sure they'll have to take a long hard look at the budget going forward but it's not a huge target within 12 months on both PC and consoles.

What they're not going to do is make knee jerk reactions like sabotaging their 1m target by not releasing the console versions at all. It won't be in the current state in 4-5 months. It will be in the state it is at that time and whilst it certainly seems to be content light for now we can't know for sure if things are being purposely withheld until the console players enter the fray.

They shoudn't have given Horizon away for free, now Horizon on sale for 8-10$ and they expect that players that got this game so cheap will pay another 40$ for a DLC with Mostly Negative reviews?
This sounds unrealistic to me, cause i don't even pick up DLC that are on sale with Mostly Negative reviews. It just feels like a waste of money.

 

[AkenBosch]

Obsidian Ant introduced me to Elite, but I had to wait months for Elite to come to PS4, so Drew's first book is what really got me "into" Elite while I waited, along with the videos from the much-maligned content creators. It's also people like Drew and Ant who put a friendly face on the Elite Dangerous community.

Guess you never heard of Helge Kautz.

Amazon.com

 

[Harbinger]

Is that the same as "Don't worry, we have a much more advanced build in another branch - the alpha won't be what is released." ?

No, absolutely not. We've all fallen into the trap of the mythical dev build before but it doesn't necessarily preclude certain elements of the FPS experience being withheld until everyone can participate.

 

[Naddesh]

@Ian Phillips @Harbinger Then maybe we can get info why this was moved out of ED forum? Ngl it stinks of shady, biased moderation - nothing personal. It just seems like hiding a very critical post just so other ED players wont find it and I have noticed it is a norm here. Not a good look. It is one of the most important members of the community pointing out the big problems in the game so it is not offtop by any means...

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Good to hear it mate, glad you are well. I do envy the floridian weather though
Yeah I'm good thanks as well - plodding on as always in these weird times. Hope the storm isn't a bad one dude!

Skipped right by us, happy to report.

 

[Ronzer]

But when people say, "I enjoy EDO despite the problems", I can't take issue with that.

I have an issue with people trying to convince me that no, there are no issues. And that I'm wrong when I provide (and other posters) much data about said issues. Going as far as say I lie, cherry pick, and other things. Or just go full denial in the most absurd ways.

Oh, it's clearly messed up at the moment and I'd never say different till it's fixed. But it seems to me it's actually closer to how ED should have been before, i.e. we never should have seen Pomeche 2c as it was in EDH, but from that, they should broaden the scope of what is 'acceptable' for planet bodies...we really dont know if mountains like that cant exist, obviously. But with the amount of invisible rocks I hit yesterday, well there's a lot of work to be done.

 

[Ian Phillips]

It is one of the most important members of the community

Nope.

A member of the community.

 

[Harbinger]

@Ian Phillips @Harbinger Then maybe we can get info why this was moved out of ED forum? Ngl it stinks of shady, biased moderation - nothing personal. It just seems like hiding a very critical post just so other ED players wont find it and I have noticed it is a norm here. Not a good look. It is one of the most important members of the community pointing out the big problems in the game so it is not offtop by any means...

If the original poster has an issue with his topic being moved then he's well within his rights to appeal it to community@frontier.co.uk as with any other act of moderation.

 

[Ian Phillips]

I don't want special rights. You misunderstood but that's probably how I put it. But clearly Drew's post was on topic in it's original forum. Frontier blatantly tried to hide it just because it's not what they want their customers to hear. It is censorship.

This is paranoid conspiracy thinking IMO.

Moving a thread to another forum isn't censorship. It doesn't remove it from view, and just because Drew considers it to be censorship or an attempt at censorship, well, "that's like his opinion, man" to use a meme.

 

[Ian Phillips]

@Ian Phillips @Harbinger Then maybe we can get info why this was moved out of ED forum? Ngl it stinks of shady, biased moderation - nothing personal. It just seems like hiding a very critical post just so other ED players wont find it and I have noticed it is a norm here. Not a good look. It is one of the most important members of the community pointing out the big problems in the game so it is not offtop by any means...

Really?

Could you provide examples and send them to the Community team please? I'm absolutely sure that they would want to remove any moderator guilty of that.

 

[UberMeg]

This is paranoid conspiracy thinking IMO.

Moving a thread to another forum isn't censorship. It doesn't remove it from view, and just because Drew considers it to be censorship or an attempt at censorship, well, "that's like his opinion, man" to use a meme.

So what exactly do you call it? His post was exactly on topic in its original forum. What possible reason could anyone have for moving it to this backend of nowhere?

 

[Naddesh]

Nope.

A member of the community.

So, I guess that is a no for explaining the reasoning here. Glhf, you are not doing ED and Frontier any favours by trying to obviously bury things.

 

[Naddesh]

This is paranoid conspiracy thinking IMO.

Moving a thread to another forum isn't censorship. It doesn't remove it from view, and just because Drew considers it to be censorship or an attempt at censorship, well, "that's like his opinion, man" to use a meme.

So what exactly do you call it? His post was exactly on topic in its original forum. What possible reason could anyone have for moving it to this backend of nowhere?

Making a post less visible on purpose is a form of deception. You cannot access this part of the forum directly from the ED one - you know, the game that the post is actually about. You have to go back to the homepage and access forum that has nothing to do with the game.

I see "please report us to the community team if you dont like our moderatiin" is the volunteer moderator's equivalent to Fdev's "We are listening to the community" Both are a way to avoid answering any questions

And again, yes, it actually removes it from the view even though you try to deny it. Again, you cannot access this post from ED forum. You actually have to go to the homepage and go to the forum that doesnt have anything to do with the said game - nobody does that...

 

[angusmadmac1]

So I am confused a bit ? I had different colours as this isn't in elite dangerous threads .
So I take it this discussion has no bearing on elite dangerous ?

On looking on new posts on the elite dangerous pages I found two posts( on the first page ) saying Big streamers leaving and I give up . Double standards?? Should these not also be moved to this dark corner in this dark basement with no real reference to elite or EDO
Or is it because Drew has said he is giving EDO a rest as it's not quite ready and when it is he will be back ?
Just asking for a friend ?

 

[Harbinger]

Any act of moderation is between three parties at the maximum.

1. The mod who carried out the action.
2. The party directly affected by the act of moderation.
3. The supervising body of the moderators AKA the Community Management team if they're called upon to adjudicate by the affected party.

The moderators don't second guess each other and we certainly don't discuss any specifics publicly.

If the original poster has issue with the topic being moved then as I posted above he's quite welcome to take it up with the Community Management team.

There's nothing else any of us can do to add further clarity.

 

[DøømHåmstër]

Any act of moderation is between three parties at the maximum.

1. The mod who carried out the action.
2. The party directly affected by the act of moderation.
3. The supervising body of the moderators AKA the Community Management team if they're called upon to adjudicate by the affected party.

The moderators don't second guess each other and we certainly don't discuss any specifics publicly.

If the original poster has issue with the topic being moved then as I posted above he's quite welcome to take it up with the Community Management team.

There's nothing else any of us can do to add further clarity.

While true on a policy level, it would be folly to ignore how your moderation may be perceived by the community at large. I guarantee this action has been noticed by the community including some of the most prominent influencers and, as has been stated, it is not a good look. FDEV is already taking a serious beating in the court of popular opinion and this for sure doesn't help.

 

[Harbinger]

I haven't done any moderation in this thread, in fact I very rarely do any moderation (or even post) on the official forums these days. When I am here at most I'll approve the odd post that's sitting in limbo. I mainly restrict myself to the Steam forums of the single player games.

The only point I'm making is even if I knew who moved the topic and the reasons for that moderator doing so (and I have no clue nor inclination to find out) I couldn't share that information, nor could any other moderator.

If you want to come to some wild conspiracy theory about why it was moved, have at it. I'm sure it'll make for an entertaining read.

 

[DøømHåmstër]

I haven't done any moderation in this thread, in fact I very rarely do any moderation (or even post) on the official forums these days. When I am here at most I'll approve the odd post that's sitting in limbo. I mainly restrict myself to the Steam forums of the single player games.

The only point I'm making is even if I knew who moved the topic and the reasons for that moderator doing so (and I have no clue nor inclination to find out) I couldn't share that information, nor could any other moderator.

If you want to come to some wild conspiracy theory about why it was moved, have at it. I'm sure it'll make for an entertaining read.

It was a general "you". I should have used the indefinite pronoun of "one" to indicate an action from anyone in the moderation team or FDEV so I apologize for the confusion.

Now, as to the point I was making, the ED community is in chaos right now. There are very strong feelings on all sides of the issue but I have no hesitancy in saying that the community's trust in FDEV may be at an all time low. With that knowledge, it is not a stretch to imagine that many in the community might perceive moving a post that is specifically about odyssey and might have a negative impact on an already deteriorating community attitude by one of the most prominent members of that community from the odyssey forum to a forum that most probably don't even know exists as a ham handed attempt at damage control by minimizing its visibility. (Wow, that's the worst sentence ever...but I'm not a writer...and I don't really care to fix it, so it stays)

At this particularly fraught moment in time where emotions are raw, it might be a good idea to do all one can to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.