Moose or no Moose: The bet

I live in Sweden. I’ve seen elk (moose) in the zoo, in the forest, in the streets of the town (yes really), running across the road in front of a bus and on my plate in the form of meatballs. So I associate them with Scandinavia.

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But actually even if 99.9% of us associate them with North America it’s irrelevant. They could still be part of a Europe DLC, a temperate DLC, a forest DLC, a Eurasia DLC, a random round the world DLC. The list could go on.
 
I'm also not convinced we're getting North America this month, but I'm also in the "no moose" camp, but not for the same reasons as others.

While I agree that the moose itself is not typically kept in major zoos, it is quite common in many European zoos and wildparks (there are none in Australasia, however). I'm saying "no moose" because simply because I don't think it will make the cut. If it's North America, there are other species I think they'll include before the moose, and the same goes for Europe.

Personally I can take or leave the moose. I won't be particularly put out if it never makes it in, nor will I be if it is included.
 
Some people (not everyone) seem to be reinterpreting the question as ‘do you want moose in a NA pack”, but that wasn’t the question… the question was “do you think we’ll get moose?” … personally I don’t mind either way if we get them or not (if it’s an 8-animal pack… I’d be a bit disappointed if they were in a 4-animal pack since I have >4 animals I’d prefer) but I don’t think we’ll get them… Also not at all convinced it’ll be a NA pack anyway.
 
So, this moose thing keeps coming up…. Lots of people from Scandinavia seem to think it’s iconic of Europe, whilst many others (not sure about Europeans outside Scandinavia) think it’s more iconic of North America… As a quick poll, I think it’d be interesting to see where people are from, and what region they think of when they think of moose… I’m happy to go first.

I’m Australian - I associate moose most closely with North America.
But the problem wasnt, to where its more iconic, but the fact, that its not only iconic to north america and could be put into another dlc like europe no problem.
I honestly couldnt care less about where to associste it, but claims that they are strictly iconic to one region, no matter which, is not only narrow minded and stupid, but flat out wrong.

I personally want the moose in the NA pack, because i prefer other deer for europe, but would like to see one in both, with the moose being the most versatile and common of the american deer species, eventhough i wouldnt mind an elk either.
 
But the problem wasnt, to where its more iconic, but the fact, that its not only iconic to north america and could be put into another dlc like europe no problem.
I honestly couldnt care less about where to associste it, but claims that they are strictly iconic to one region, no matter which, is not only narrow minded and stupid, but flat out wrong.
Association of an animal to a region is cultural, so definitely not "flat out wrong", but depending on where you're from, and general perspective.
 
Association isn’t right or wrong but saying something is strictly iconic in an absolute sense to only one place is wrong.
This.

As long as we get a moose down the line I don't care too much about in which pack, but if NA is, like rumours suggest , a classic dlc with only 4 animals I'd prefer animals that have a hard time fitting in other dlcs. So racoons, sea lions (I don't believe in a second aquatic pack), cougar etc. Especially since, as markun stated, the moose are very iconic for sweden (and enough other parts of scandinavia, while canada also has the beaver for example).

My beloved prairie dogs could fit in a dessert pack, can't they? Not 100% sure about their region.
 
Association isn’t right or wrong but saying something is strictly iconic in an absolute sense to only one place is wrong.
It would be if anyone had said it. Where it is iconic to to most people is relevant to the question of whether Frontier are likely to add it to a given pack, not whether it’d be possible to add it. IMO it’s most likely to be added to a NA pack bacause, for most people, that’s the region they associate it with. If it’s not in a NA pack I don’t think it’s likely to be in a Europe pack (though it certainly wouldn’t be out of place technically).
 
Original question: No moose (in the next pack).

As for how iconic the animal is in different regions, I agree that it's kind of a pointless and biased debate.
I'm Spanish and when I think of Alces alces, I associate it with both Canada and Scandinavia. I've been lucky to be in both Canada and Sweden and in both sites it was a staple animal and something you'd seek to spot (on distance ofc) in nature trails. Like, as far as I got told, it's even a common sight in the lakes by the outskirts of Stockholm.

I say it's biased because we live in an extremely (North) Americanised world, specially since the 2nd half of the XX century. Everything in this world still depends on what the US has to say about it, even the culture and traditions of all developed countries are getting more and more (North) American. If you ask people around whether they find the moose/elk more iconic from NA or EU, the answer is obvious for the reasons stated above.

Off topic but it happens with every single thing: if you ask someone from anywhere except from South-Western Europe about cured ham and olive oil, they'll most likely think of Italy first. Hell, they might even call the cured ham 'prosciutto'. But the fact is that there is like 10x more production and better olive oil in Spain, and cured hams are better or more abundant in Spain and Germany, respectively.

Back to the moose topic: Funnily enough, the perception of the moose being more iconic to NA does not correspond with reality neither from a biological point a view, a zoos point of view, or even a culture point of view.
The moose is as iconic to Canada as it is to Finland. Second most iconic animal at best. But it is the national animal of both Sweden and Norway. It is also more abundant in Europe than in NA, according to various sources. And it is way more common in captivity in EU than in NA.
 
This.

As long as we get a moose down the line I don't care too much about in which pack, but if NA is, like rumours suggest , a classic dlc with only 4 animals I'd prefer animals that have a hard time fitting in other dlcs. So racoons, sea lions (I don't believe in a second aquatic pack), cougar etc. Especially since, as markun stated, the moose are very iconic for sweden (and enough other parts of scandinavia, while canada also has the beaver for example).

My beloved prairie dogs could fit in a dessert pack, can't they? Not 100% sure about their region.
Species of Sea lion come from all around the world (much more widespread than moose). Why do you think they could only be in a NA DLC?
 
To moose or not to moose... this question amooses me. Regarding the Canada/Sweden question, I moost say, let's all force the moose to show its passport. This should bring an end to 'patriotic' discussions once and for all! Besides... If I worked at Frontier and definitely knew, the moose would be in an upcoming NA/EU-Pack, I would now replace it last second with something else just because I read this thread. 😅
 
I'm Italian and when i think of the Moose, the Sweden is the first place that comes to my mind.
If it's a Moose No for this pack better it will be a Moose Yes in next packs, i just want it in the game, and i do not care from which part of the world it will come from. :LOL:
 
Just for everyone’s information, Moose are kept in four North American Zoos; Toronto Zoo and Columbus Zoo; which are in my opinion globally recognized zoos (at least Toronto for sure). Along with Minnesota Zoo and Alaska Zoo. Now, am I saying that these are the only zoos in the world to exhibit Moose, no.

I’m not an animal expert here; I had no idea what many of the in-game exhibit animals were before Planet Zoo, as well as the Dall Sheep, Capuchin Monkey, and Arctic Wolf. The suspense for next Monday, Tuesday and/or Wednesday is killing me. I’m waiting for the “and the majestic Moose” in a forum post.
 
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