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#1 priority before any obscure requests are addressed: BIRDS

#2 priority: Aquariums

Small word of advice. Refrain from saying something is an easy fix unless you absolutely know because of your coding abilities. These types of claims, especially from people who pose themselves as wide ranging subject matter experts, will often lead to unreasonable expectations. Niche expectations get blown out of proportion and force the dev to address it, which is what you want, but what do you lose on the other end. I would hate for the devs to spend large amounts of time making the Moose deep dive or recoloring the exhibit water instead of giving us 4 flighted birds instead of 8 for example. Every request, no matter how inane and easy you think it is, takes time and money.
 
I'd think that Moose should have diving, it's a common behavior for them
Yep! Don't worry, it's on there.
Southern Florida has very low elevation, which was in fact covered by the ocean until very recently, therefore has poor quality soil for the most part and not enough of it. This is why only regions with relatively higher ground are viable enough to sustain a rainforest as only these regions support the soil necessary for hardwoods (trees) to survive. This ecoregion is called the South Florida Rocklands. The relatively (barely) higher rocky ground allows for enough soil for hardwoods to survive, which supports the only true tropical rainforest on the U.S. mainland and is categorized as part of the Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forests biome. The Miami Rock Ridge, Big Cypress Reserve and some of the Florida Keys account for the majority of this ecoregion and are dominated by tropical hardwood flora. Since the rest of South Florida lacks the high quality soil, rest of the region can only support tropical but low lying soft stem plants for the most part (e.g. Bromeliads: still part of the 'Tropical' biome in the game). The range of some of these tropical species extend all the way into subtropical Central Florida.

So the simple answer would be yes, true tropical rainforests occur in Southern Florida, but in pockets and in places where you can grow trees. Tropical foliage other than trees can grow basically anywhere in South Florida, even outside the boundaries of the SF Rocklands. And some of the tropical foliage also grow elsewhere in peninsular Florida.

The Everglades on the other hand is a flooded tropical savanna, which is why the American alligator is also missing the 'Grassland' tag. In fact they occur in grassland regions more so than the Cuvier's dwarf caiman, the latter which requires gallery forests within the grassland regions to thrive, but nevertheless has the 'Grassland' tag in the game. In addition, an important component of the range of the American alligator in the rest of Florida, Texas and the rest of Southeastern U.S. is comprised of warm temperate, subtropical and tropical grasslands and savannas.

In summary, the American alligator is lacking both the 'Tropical' and 'Grassland' tags in the game. In fact the most marginal of all three of these terrestrial biomes would be 'Temperate', as their range barely extends into the warm temperate region with majority of it being in the subtropical and tropical forest and savanna regions. However they should have all three terrestrial tags in the game nonetheless, even 'Temperate'.

List of 'Tropical' biome plant assets in the game that are found in Florida (mostly South & Central):*
  • Banana Palm (naturalized, native to Indomalaya and Australia, also found elsewhere in Southern U.S.)
  • Bromeliad Plant (also found elsewhere in Southern U.S.)
  • Century Plant (naturalized)
  • Coastal Mangrove Tree
  • Coconut Palm
  • Custard Apple Tree
  • Elephant Ear Plant
  • Liana Vines
  • Lobster Claw Plant
  • Rainbow Eucalyptus (naturalized, native to Oceania)
  • Scaevola Bush (naturalized, native to Oceania/Polynesia)
  • Spanish Hanging Moss
  • Strangler Fig Tree and Roots
  • Swiss Cheese Plant (naturalized)
  • Tamarind Tree (naturalized, native to Africa)
  • Water Hyacinth (naturalized)
  • Weeping Willow (mostly temperate and grows only in temperate Northern Florida, but grows in subtropical Asia, thus has the 'Tropical' tag)
  • Wimba Tree
*Please let me know if I'm missing any.
**Tried to use the exact asset names in the game for an easier read

Basically most of the plant assets in the game tagged 'North America' and 'Tropical' are found in Florida. There's also a few 'Tropical' plants in the game missing the North America tag (e.g. Bromeliad Plant, Strangler Fig Tree and Roots, Swiss Cheese Plant, Water Hyacinth) that are found in Florida and elsewhere in tropical North America (e.g. Mexico and the Caribbean). I think this sums it up.
That's a lot! I can certainly make a new section for those at some point.
We need more North American Flora. And there needs to be some fixing of the Doug Fir and Red Cedar. Both are listed as taiga when they need the temperate tag too. They are found in the the pacific Northwest, which is a temperate rainforest, and is like 90+% Doug fir.
We also need:
Coast Redwood Sequoia sempervirens,
any Oregon Grape Mahonia genus,
Alaskan Ginseng/ Devil's Club Oplopanax horridus (A truly terrifying thorny plant),
Oregon White Oak Quercus garryana, (this species is also temperate and was very important in the so-called 'White Oak Savannah' which was an mosaic habitat the was vitally important for many species throughout the Pacific Northwest, including Beaver and Salmon. Today this type of habitat is very rare, with only 5% of it remaining)
Sitka Spruce Picea sitchensis
Western Hemlock Tsuga heterophylla
More ferns.
Lichen. Attachable lichen like with the vines and Virginia Creeper.
Might look into a few of these as well!
 
There is a map background for a city zoo already, so if they just let us choose which we want to use, you could use that in any biome. It's one of the campaign zoos IIRC.
Huh? Which scenario? Yesterday I didn't find anything while looking through it. I think i'm blind :oops:
 
The most important suggestion I would have is not on the list yet:

Multiple habitat gates! Especially important for large habitats. This will allow much greater flexibility in habitat creation and park design, keepers can much more efficiently access their assigned habitats, and animals can use the entire habitat instead of dwelling near the section of the gate because that's where all the food and food enrichment is because otherwise the keepers have to walk too far...
I think you missed my post maybe?
 
I worked at a zoo for years, and volunteered around quite a few (modern) zoos through the years. You can have all the research and balamced diet you want, but animals are lazy (just like us). You can't force them to exercise, and it would be unethical to put them on food foraging trips, from which they get most food in nature.

I agree obesity is a sign something is wrong, but animals being chubby applies to almost all animals in zoos in general.

Yes, but both brown bears in PZ are not just fat, they are neckless and spherical like a cartoon bear (I've never seen a bear like that in a zoo). And it's something that doesn't happen with the other bears of the game: Formosan black and Polar bears are slightly chubby in a more natural way, like could happen in a zoo as you say, and the sun bear model is 100% perfect.
It's just brown bears which are embarrassing in comparison.

As always a fantastic list bearcat!

I would like 1, 2 maybe 3 city backgrounds for the maps.
Here in Germany (e.g.) it is common to have zoos within a city. Rarely that which are outside.
Therefore, I would be very happy to have multiple versions of city backgrounds.


Maybe you can add that to the whole landscape backgrounds, I know some more would find this cool.

Be careful what you wish for! :ROFLMAO:
I also like to build zoos and theme parks in urban areas, but if they are going to give us a city background like we have in Planet Coaster, it is not going to be an improvement, I can never use it because how it feels... https://planetcoaster.fandom.com/wiki/City
 
Yes, but both brown bears in PZ are not just fat, they are neckless and spherical like a cartoon bear (I've never seen a bear like that in a zoo). And it's something that doesn't happen with the other bears of the game: Formosan black and Polar bears are slightly chubby in a more natural way, like could happen in a zoo as you say, and the sun bear model is 100% perfect.
It's just brown bears which are embarrassing in comparison.
With this I agree. The brown bears are weird.
 
I agree with every single one of your points, I know Frontier will definitely listen to us.

I also wish for the Formosan Black Bear to be renamed Asiatic Black Bear, and given a new range map. I think that will make them more versatile, and they will fit better in more zones, like India and Southeast Asia. I know this isn't a major thing, but I feel a bit disturbed that they chose to make the Formosan Black Bear instead of the more generic Asiatic Black Bear.
 
Huh? Which scenario? Yesterday I didn't find anything while looking through it. I think i'm blind :oops:
Maybe, I'm wrong here but I swear one of them has a city background
I think you missed my post maybe?
You're right, I did I'm sorry. This is confirmed to not be possible however.
Yes, but both brown bears in PZ are not just fat, they are neckless and spherical like a cartoon bear (I've never seen a bear like that in a zoo). And it's something that doesn't happen with the other bears of the game: Formosan black and Polar bears are slightly chubby in a more natural way, like could happen in a zoo as you say, and the sun bear model is 100% perfect.
It's just brown bears which are embarrassing in comparison.
Yes, this is exactly correct. It's often the base game animals that are the roughest, they really got the hang of accurate model creation (for the most part) after that.
I also wish for the Formosan Black Bear to be renamed Asiatic Black Bear, and given a new range map. I think that will make them more versatile, and they will fit better in more zones, like India and Southeast Asia. I know this isn't a major thing, but I feel a bit disturbed that they chose to make the Formosan Black Bear instead of the more generic Asiatic Black Bear.
I'm still split on this because this is one of the rare instance where they got the taxonomy 100% correct and it seems that this subspecies is actually intentional. I will consider it however.
 
I agree with every single one of your points, I know Frontier will definitely listen to us.

I also wish for the Formosan Black Bear to be renamed Asiatic Black Bear, and given a new range map. I think that will make them more versatile, and they will fit better in more zones, like India and Southeast Asia. I know this isn't a major thing, but I feel a bit disturbed that they chose to make the Formosan Black Bear instead of the more generic Asiatic Black Bear.
And on thst note, expand the Indian elephant to be the asian elephant. And it sucks we have no tiger for south-east asia.
 
Thank you for posting this list! It's always great to see what still needs to be implemented in the game, and it's even more important to see that suggestions are being regularly implemented.
I'm not sure on the Galapagos tortoise, most of the animals that are found in zoos, are indeed species hybrids. And as it is a whole species complex, I would still stick with C. nigra (the old) taxonomy, which seems all the species as subspecies and is probably way easier to put in an game.
As you said there would be some updates in the diving behavior, I would also add an improved system for the hippos, actually this would be the last "diving" system I'm really missing.
As for the polar bear food, I've seen them quite often feeding on vegetables and fruits in zoos (and even the herb scent marker don't seem to be too wrong), I wouldn't be against adding meat but I don't it's something essential.
On the models, I also think the chimpanzees need a bit of work, they aren't bad, but they don't really represent adult animals, which tend to have black faces and are bulkier. The current model is perfect for a bonobo, but for a chimpanzee not really ideal.
Something that stills annoy me a lot (and I have no idea if it could be included into your list), is to have an gorilla or an elephant that are near their sexual mature but look exactly like a newborn. I understand that there won't be any gradual aging and I wouldn't expect that, but I really think there must be an intermediate option for animals that take long to mature (there wouldn't be any sense in doing this for a wolf or a meerkat, for example).
@Bearcat9948 you may have also missed my post, the thing with tee chimpanzees and the hippos is specially important for me.
 
And on thst note, expand the Indian elephant to be the asian elephant. And it sucks we have no tiger for south-east asia.
I'm dying for the Malayan Tiger, especially since they're so endangered.
Again, guys, this is taking a subspecies and turning it into a species, which is really inaccurate and shouldn't be considered. The Indian elephant subspecies of Asian elephant is the dominant subspecies, and the one found across most of Asia. The other two are the Sri Lankan and Sumatran subspecies, which are considerably smaller than the Indian one. "Indian" is just a misnomer, it's found outside of Asia. Like how the "Virginia" opossum is found far outside of the state of Virginia.

As far as tigers go, again, you're just asking for an entirely new animal. Bengal tigers and Malayan or South Chinese tigers are not the same.
 
Again, guys, this is taking a subspecies and turning it into a species, which is really inaccurate and shouldn't be considered. The Indian elephant subspecies of Asian elephant is the dominant subspecies, and the one found across most of Asia. The other two are the Sri Lankan and Sumatran subspecies, which are considerably smaller than the Indian one. "Indian" is just a misnomer, it's found outside of Asia. Like how the "Virginia" opossum is found far outside of the state of Virginia.

As far as tigers go, again, you're just asking for an entirely new animal. Bengal tigers and Malayan or South Chinese tigers are not the same.
Apologies for that, didn't take what you said into consideration.
 
Again, guys, this is taking a subspecies and turning it into a species, which is really inaccurate and shouldn't be considered. The Indian elephant subspecies of Asian elephant is the dominant subspecies, and the one found across most of Asia. The other two are the Sri Lankan and Sumatran subspecies, which are considerably smaller than the Indian one. "Indian" is just a misnomer, it's found outside of Asia. Like how the "Virginia" opossum is found far outside of the state of Virginia.

As far as tigers go, again, you're just asking for an entirely new animal. Bengal tigers and Malayan or South Chinese tigers are not the same.
To be fair, I was just saying that I wanted a Malayan Tiger, I never requested for one of the Tiger subspecies to be the changed. But once again I apologise for saying something unrelated here.
 
And alligators group size should be raised. At the very least for bachelor groups
I'm pretty sure this was just an oversight. Even one of the Zoopedia tabs use the term "saltwater crocodile". The only way I can explain this is that particular section and the related social stats were not updated when carrying the blueprint over from the territorial saltwater crocodile. American alligators are social crocodilians, like the Nile crocodile, and sometimes form large groups in the wild (especially during the mating season) and can be kept in huge groups in captivity, even in relatively small spaces.

In fact being able to keep them in large groups is also appealing in terms of gameplay, adds something unique, as this wasn't possible with the saltie and dwarf caiman. Yet another incentive to include them in the game actually.
 
I'm here from the reddit post advertising this thread to the community.

While I agree with a lot of what's been posted here, I especially agree on snow-covered rocks! Since I saw the moss covered ones I've been hoping for the same with snow and have been disappointed it hasn't been added- it makes it harder to make an appropriately 'snowy' habitat.

Something else I'd like to ask for is diffuse lighting panels. I've been trying to make more 'indoor' habitats, but it's hard to light them because most light sources are a beam or cone of some sort. Is it possible to add panels into the game that spread a soft 'half sphere' of daylight quality light? Thank you.

Thank you to everyone in this thread for their excellent suggestions and thank you Frontier for working so hard on this game to please it's customers. It feels shocking rare these days to see a company that listens to their customers like this.
 
Raise the giant pandas species appeal to be way higher. In the zoos that have them they’re usually the most popular animals and people travel just to see them. They should be this popular in game.

And alligators group size should be raised. At the very least for bachelor groups
The alligator size group is in there but I like the Panda appeal rating. Any idea what it is now and what it should be? I play sandbox so appeal rating isn't something I consider.
My biggest suggestion would be dynamic snow rocks, similar to the dynamic moss rocks we got in the SA update. Maybe Taiga coloured base? Or Tundra?
Love this!
Something else I'd like to ask for is diffuse lighting panels. I've been trying to make more 'indoor' habitats, but it's hard to light them because most light sources are a beam or cone of some sort. Is it possible to add panels into the game that spread a soft 'half sphere' of daylight quality light? Thank you.
I'd consider adding this but there may or may not be some codes found in the files that allude to more lighting objects being added
 
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