New 25 essential habitat animals META-WISHLIST

[NZFanatic]

Simply shutting off the potential to do conservation work seems rather regressive IMO

It's not, depending on the species. Conservation work is done on the basis of enormous amounts of research into behaviour, breeding potential, numbers, ecology, and so on. The kakapo, for example, wouldn't be helped in the slightest by being put into zoos because their breeding is already carefully managed in the wild.

 

[Firestar97]

I mean, I look at how high the kakapo is on the list and absolutely cringe because not only is it not in any zoos, it's against its species survival plan to keep it in captivity, and illegal for it to be moved outside of New Zealand

Could it even be kept in Zoos/kept in Zoos outside of New Zealand

I think any animal can be kept in captivity with enough research done into their welfare. Simply shutting off the potential to do conservation work seems rather regressive IMO

But some Species don't fare well in Captivity. Some for dietary Reasons (Examples: Indri, Proboscis Monkey, Mountain Gorilla).
Or for other Reasons (Example: Great White Shark). Some even don't breed at all in Captivity like the now most likely extinct Rose headed Duck.
So it should be worked on improving the Food that Zoos can supply for these Animals and researching other Things that prevent them from being kept successfully before attempting to keep them again.
Do we even know what's the Reason why Great White Sharks don't survive very long in Captivity?

Maybe Frontier could give us relatively similar Animals to suggested ones that can't be kept/are even rarer in Captivity than the Proboscis Monkey (even though they already gave us some extremely rare ones already)
Examples:

• Kea instead of Kakapo when we get Aviary Animals someday.
• Bull Shark instead of Great White Shark.
• not really that similar but another semiaquatic Lizard: Caiman Lizard instead of Marine Iguana

 

[markun]

Can somebody please make a list or thread featuring these animals? It'll be great to know what can be in a zoo or not, and we can even lead newcomers there so that they can learn that not all animals are able to be in captivity, too

I think can’t be kept is a hard question to answer and various species which did not thrive in the past could be kept now. But nonetheless there are a number of animals which might not thrive, due to dietary issues for example. Some are recently discovered and others cannot be caught or exported according to the laws of the countries where they are found.

Some examples:

• Saola
• Kakapo
• Mountain gorilla
• Ethiopian wolf
• Indri
• Javan rhino
• Mountain nyala
• Chiru
• Walia ibex
• Galápagos penguin

 

[Mjmannella]

But some Species don't fare well in Captivity. Some for dietary Reasons (Examples: Indri, Proboscis Monkey).

And yet we still got proboscis monkeys. I don't see why we shouldn't get something that's less dietarily restricted like a marine iguana.
Mind you, even 30 years ago Chinese pangolins would've been a sure-fire "impossible" species for captivity. And yet here they are in Planet Zoo. Otters were largely the same way too, and now they're extremely common. I'd rather not see Frontier be afraid of modern-day normatives when it comes to deciding on what species to add, because our understanding of what makes animals thrive in captivity is constantly growing and improving.

Or for other Reasons (Example: Great White Shark). So it should be worked on improving the Food that Zoos can supply for these Animals and researching other Things that prevent them from being kept successfully before attempting to keep them again.
Do we even know what's the Reason why Great White Sharks don't survive very long in Captivity?

I know there's issues with captive pelagic fish in general. Though the Tokyo Aquarium figured out that using yellow reflective tape can help with keeping tuna in aquariums, so it's possible that a similar solution might work with pelagic sharks. I don't believe there's a certain cause for the high mortality of great white sharks in captivity, It might have to do with glass awareness or the aquarium conditions affecting their ability to have water pass through their gills.

 

[markun]

And yet we still got proboscis monkeys. I don't see why we shouldn't get something that's less dietarily restricted like a marine iguana.

Nonetheless proboscis monkeys are found in captivity - far more than marine iguanas which are essentially absent from legitimate captive collections.

 

[Veah]

Do we even know what's the Reason why Great White Sharks don't survive very long in Captivity?

I don't know about white sharks, but once I read about an experiment trying to raise juvenile leatherback turtles in captivity. They had to design a complex system of restraints for each turtle to prevent them from touching the tank walls, because they don't understand the concept of barrier and they keep swimming against the glass, no matter the time. I think white sharks can have the same problem, and any other oceanic animal designed to swim in any direction without never finding a barrier.

Apart from that kind of animals and the biggest whale species, I can't think of any other animal which is really impossible to raise in captivity because it's 100% not suited to it. Breeding is probably more difficult for some more species, however.

 

[Firestar97]

I don't know about white sharks, but once I read about an experiment trying to raise juvenile leatherback turtles in captivity. They had to design a complex system of restraints for each turtle to prevent them from touching the tank walls, because they don't understand the concept of barrier and they keep swimming against the glass, no matter the time. I think white sharks can have the same problem, and any other oceanic animal designed to swim in any direction without never finding a barrier.

Apart from that kind of animals and the biggest whale species, I can't think of any other animal which is really impossible to raise in captivity because it's 100% not suited to it. Breeding is probably more difficult for some more species, however.

I think it was also once tried to raise juvenile Architeuthis dux in Captivity.

Also heard a Story once about a Tuna swimming against a Tank Wall and dieing. The other Animals in the Tank were happy because of the additional Food
Wouldn't One Way Glass work in Situations like this? Is One Way Glass even used in any Zoos in Real Life? Before Planet Zoo I've only heard about it being used in Police Stations

 

[Planet zoo ‘The Netherlands’]

I visit lots of zoos (I live in Holland close to the German border so there are heaps around here. I really like zoos dat have animals in there collection that are rare in zoos. A few examples: like the Orinoco dolphin in Duisburg zoo. Or mountain zebras, used to be common but are not in any zoo in Europe as up now. Same for the booted macaque.

 

[Planet zoo ‘The Netherlands’]

White sharks don’t work in zoos and aquariums because they would need an enormous tank. They usually swim thousands of km per month and researchers think they need to to stay healthy (they haven’t find out why).
All great whites seem to die in aquariums after a few months at most.
To stop the banging with turtles and sharks they usually build tanks a bit round, that usually works.

 

[Ounze]

But that's an other very niche species. They are really cool, but keeping them is quite difficult and Ecuador doesn't alow any exportation of Galápagos fauna. I'm aware there are some in Japan and in an African country (I'm not sure which one, and I'm not finding the information at the moment). But they were probably smuggled, so I don't think this would be a good conservation message...

Understandable. Since they don't allow accreditation by the AZA or some fictional equivalent of it, and for actual breeding programs (you can only breed one animal so much before it's genetics are too prevalent in the captive (or wild if you release) gene pool. Suspending my disbelief for this, to me, is about the same as suspending my disbelief for animals that are very rare/ aren't in captivity (like Marine Iguanas and Saiga Antelope, and the like). But that is just me.

 

[Ounze]

I know there's issues with captive pelagic fish in general. Though the Tokyo Aquarium figured out that using yellow reflective tape can help with keeping tuna in aquariums, so it's possible that a similar solution might work with pelagic sharks. I don't believe there's a certain cause for the high mortality of great white sharks in captivity, It might have to do with glass awareness or the aquarium conditions affecting their ability to have water pass through their gills.

I don't know about white sharks, but once I read about an experiment trying to raise juvenile leatherback turtles in captivity. They had to design a complex system of restraints for each turtle to prevent them from touching the tank walls, because they don't understand the concept of barrier and they keep swimming against the glass, no matter the time. I think white sharks can have the same problem, and any other oceanic animal designed to swim in any direction without never finding a barrier.

White sharks don’t work in zoos and aquariums because they would need an enormous tank. They usually swim thousands of km per month and researchers think they need to to stay healthy (they haven’t find out why).
All great whites seem to die in aquariums after a few months at most.
To stop the banging with turtles and sharks they usually build tanks a bit round, that usually works.

White have a few problems that have been identified. 1) the glass generates a low electrical current. The sharks know it's there, and are attracted to it. The less glass in the tank, the better. Most of the White sharks that have died, have died because they stopped eating. This indicates stress. When fish get stressed, they stop eating entirely. In predatory fish, their predatory instinct shuts off. The Monteray Bay Aquarium has managed to keep several alive for relatively long periods of time. In 2004, they caught and exhibited a juvenile female for 198 days. This was the first of six sharks that they between 2004-2011. None of them were larger than 2m, and only one was released because she wasn't eating. One shark did die a month after release, as it's tag stopped moving and popped off for collection, but no one knows why. Five of the six were released because they were growing aggressive and eating the other fish in the Open Sea Tank.
In 2016, an aquarium in Japan exhibited an 11ft (2m) male. It refused to eat and died. That is at the stage where they begin to transition from fish to marine mammals (10-14ft is the most likely size range of when a shark attacks humans. Actual adults (14-16st for males, and 16-8ft for females) are very good at recognize what is and is not a seal), and have played a part.
Adults would be impossible to keep, as they need fatty diets, and you can't just butcher a seal to feed a shark every week or so.

 

[arafan]

I visit lots of zoos (I live in Holland close to the German border so there are heaps around here. I really like zoos dat have animals in there collection that are rare in zoos. A few examples: like the Orinoco dolphin in Duisburg zoo. Or mountain zebras, used to be common but are not in any zoo in Europe as up now. Same for the booted macaque.

I also love to see rarer species in zoos and used to travel a lot to see species that aren't kept in my zoo. Even so, I belive that in a zoo game, we should have species that can be breed in zoos and it's even better if there's a stable population. So, in this case, a mountain zebra would be great and even if I think that there is a huge potential for a future breeding program for Orinoco dolphins (or other species of Inia) in captivity, I wouldn't really want them to be brought to the game for now (at least not in official way, it would be great if done by modders!).

Understandable. Since they don't allow accreditation by the AZA or some fictional equivalent of it, and for actual breeding programs (you can only breed one animal so much before it's genetics are too prevalent in the captive (or wild if you release) gene pool. Suspending my disbelief for this, to me, is about the same as suspending my disbelief for animals that are very rare/ aren't in captivity (like Marine Iguanas and Saiga Antelope, and the like). But that is just me.

I also think the whole system of releasing animals to the wild should be changed. I don't think it's a good message to telling people (specially to children) "breed a lot of animals, you'll be able to release them to the wild and they'll do absolutely great, we even will give you some money for this". That's not how zoos work!
So, as I said before, even tough I think marine iguanas are great, we're still missing a lot of species which are commonly found in zoos and I would rather prefere those.

White have a few problems that have been identified. 1) the glass generates a low electrical current. The sharks know it's there, and are attracted to it. The less glass in the tank, the better. Most of the White sharks that have died, have died because they stopped eating. This indicates stress. When fish get stressed, they stop eating entirely. In predatory fish, their predatory instinct shuts off. The Monteray Bay Aquarium has managed to keep several alive for relatively long periods of time. In 2004, they caught and exhibited a juvenile female for 198 days. This was the first of six sharks that they between 2004-2011. None of them were larger than 2m, and only one was released because she wasn't eating. One shark did die a month after release, as it's tag stopped moving and popped off for collection, but no one knows why. Five of the six were released because they were growing aggressive and eating the other fish in the Open Sea Tank.
In 2016, an aquarium in Japan exhibited an 11ft (2m) male. It refused to eat and died. That is at the stage where they begin to transition from fish to marine mammals (10-14ft is the most likely size range of when a shark attacks humans. Actual adults (14-16st for males, and 16-8ft for females) are very good at recognize what is and is not a seal), and have played a part.
Adults would be impossible to keep, as they need fatty diets, and you can't just butcher a seal to feed a shark every week or so.

These are some quite interesting information, I just perceived how much more I need to learn about marine life! So thanks for providing them!

 

[Anthracite_Impreza]

Long time stalker, saw one of Leaf's videos about this so I might as well. All these species are kept in public zoos according to google (a shame about the rest cos I love my SA doggos), but other than that I'm going for my biased wishes rather than a "rounded" approach; not a lot of point otherwise.

1. Maned wolf
2. Culpeo
3. Red fox (with colour morphs)
4. Crab eating zorro
5. Side-striped jackal
6. Pere David's deer
7. Red deer
8. Scimitar-horned oryx
9. Chamois
10. Nilgai
11. Duiker (any)
12. Takin (any)
13. Musk ox
14. Some sort of wild lagomorph (is this too vague? I don't really care just gib bunny)
15. Hyrax (any)
16. Crested porcupine
17. Capybara
18. Bennett's wallaby
19. Gentoo penguin
20. Himalayan monal
21. Capercaillie
22. Hamerkop
23. Kiwi (any)
24. Siberian crane
25. Kagu

I'm sure I'll remember about 500 other things in 5 minutes but oh well.

 

[Firestar97]

I also think the whole system of releasing animals to the wild should be changed. I don't think it's a good message to telling people (specially to children) "breed a lot of animals, you'll be able to release them to the wild and they'll do absolutely great, we even will give you some money for this". That's not how zoos work!
So, as I said before, even tough I think marine iguanas are great, we're still missing a lot of species which are commonly found in zoos and I would rather prefere those.

Would absolutely love a Update for this. Animals should sometimes fail to survive in the Wild. We should be able to do something to raise the Likelihood of their Survival and maybe let us put Trackers on our Favorites, so we regularly get Information about how they are doing

 

[Anthracite_Impreza]

Would absolutely love a Update for this. Animals should sometimes fail to survive in the Wild. We should be able to do something to raise the Likelihood of their Survival and maybe let us put Trackers on our Favorites, so we regularly get Information about how they are doing

A lot of people would hate it, and I know it won't ever happen, but it would be much more realistic for animals to have to undergo "training" for this. We could either have a facility in our own zoos (a fun mini game like ZT2 had to teach predators to hunt even if that's not realistic, but nor is just setting them free either), or pay another facility to do it to get rid of them quicker.

 

[Spartan_Squat]

Well time to post my ideas here.

• Walrus
• Black Rhinoceros
• Pelican
• Przewalski Horse
• Capybara (Yeah we know appeared in the files)
• Platypus
• Emu
• Tasmanian Devil
• Echidna
• Wombat
• Matschie Tree Kangaroo
• Wolverine
• Amur Leopard
• Markhor
• Kiwi
• Crested Porcupine
• Scimitarra Horned Oryx
• Red River Hog
• Crowned Crane

 

[avietar]

I also love to see rarer species in zoos and used to travel a lot to see species that aren't kept in my zoo. Even so, I belive that in a zoo game, we should have species that can be breed in zoos and it's even better if there's a stable population. So, in this case, a mountain zebra would be great and even if I think that there is a huge potential for a future breeding program for Orinoco dolphins (or other species of Inia) in captivity, I wouldn't really want them to be brought to the game for now (at least not in official way, it would be great if done by modders!).


I also think the whole system of releasing animals to the wild should be changed. I don't think it's a good message to telling people (specially to children) "breed a lot of animals, you'll be able to release them to the wild and they'll do absolutely great, we even will give you some money for this". That's not how zoos work!
So, as I said before, even tough I think marine iguanas are great, we're still missing a lot of species which are commonly found in zoos and I would rather prefere those.


These are some quite interesting information, I just perceived how much more I need to learn about marine life! So thanks for providing them!

Just want to put it out there that CC is not money, but more like prestige points. So yeah, a zoo would get an increase in prestige if they released animals into the wild.

 

[raf8655]

My five additional animals:

21. Tasmanian Devil
22. Crested Porcupine
23. Sifaka (at least one of the species)
24. Bald Uakari
25. Nine Banded Armadillo





Original wishlist:
1. Capybara
2. Lynx (at least one of the species)
3. Red Deer
4. Maned Wolf
5. Howler Monkey (at least one of the species)
6. Gibbon (at least one of the species)
7. White-Faced Saki
8. Spider Monkey (at least one of the species)
9. Rhea (at least one of the species) or Emu
10. Patagonian Mara
11. European Fallow Deer
12. Alpine Ibex
13. Baboon (at least one of the species)
14. Dik-Dik or Muntjac (at least one of the species)
15. Tree Kangaroo (at least one of the species)
16. Greater Kudu
17. Kobus (at least one of the species)
18. Coati (at least one of the species)
19. Sloth (at least one of the species)
20. Badger (at least one of the species)

 

[random goat]

My five additional animals:

21. Tasmanian Devil
22. Crested Porcupine
23. Sifaka (at least one of the species)
24. Bald Uakari
25. Nine Banded Armadillo





Original wishlist:
1. Capybara
2. Lynx (at least one of the species)
3. Red Deer
4. Maned Wolf
5. Howler Monkey (at least one of the species)
6. Gibbon (at least one of the species)
7. White-Faced Saki
8. Spider Monkey (at least one of the species)
9. Rhea (at least one of the species) or Emu
10. Patagonian Mara
11. European Fallow Deer
12. Alpine Ibex
13. Baboon (at least one of the species)
14. Dik-Dik or Muntjac (at least one of the species)
15. Tree Kangaroo (at least one of the species)
16. Greater Kudu
17. Kobus (at least one of the species)
18. Coati (at least one of the species)
19. Sloth (at least one of the species)
20. Badger (at least one of the species)

List updated up until this post!

 

[Muenster]

I really hope that the Greater Kudu will make it into the game one day, its my number one in my list, and its such a majestic creature.

To support your cause:

To my initial list I want to add the following animals:
1. Greater Kudu
2. Vulturine Guineafowl
3. Nile crocodile
4. Helmeted Guineafowl
Edit: 5. Red river hog