Why not, though? They are cool little guys with a permanent costume
New 25 essential habitat animals META-WISHLIST
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That is a mistake for sure. I'll look into it later. Maybe someone posted it and I didn't double-check to get rid of it because no, extinct animals cannot be included.
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Definitely glad for more votes for them. I also have admit I smile a little every time I see the wombat added.Red River hog thank you for all the votes from the bottom of her heart and kindly asks for more
FUN FACT: It's not just a fashion statement! Red river hogs will straighten out their ear tufts when threatened to appear more intimidating.
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5 ADDITIONAL VOTES:
1. White stork
2.Emu
3. Kiwi
4.African manatee or west indian
5. North american otter or another otter
1. White stork
2.Emu
3. Kiwi
4.African manatee or west indian
5. North american otter or another otter
First off I just want to say thank you @random goat for all the attention and personal time you have given to this meta-list. I’m sure it has been quite time consuming and your dedication has not gone unnoticed (also congratulations on your PhD!)
Since you have decided to keep this current version of the meta-list and allow everyone five more additions (which is understandable as I’m sure this version of the list has been quite the undertaking), I do have a few questions about some of the species currently excluded from the list. On my top 20 list, I noticed that some of my species selections were not counted towards the meta-list, though they do seem to meet the current “requirements” for it. Additionally upon reviewing others submissions and the current, not counted “exhibit and aviaries” tab you provided, there are a few other species people have been voting for that do seem to meet the rules as well.
On my list, the two species I voted for that weren’t counted were the Cownose Ray and the Giant Pacific Octopus. The Giant Octopus easily exceeds the size requirement for a species to be considered habitat-potential (with larger specimens typically reaching a radial span of over 20 feet). The species is usually kept in covered habitats though, as they are known to be exceptional escape artists, so perhaps this was your reasoning for not counting it?
For the Cownose Ray, I can’t really think of a reason as to why it wouldn’t meet the requirements. Adult Cownose Rays typically reach wingspans over 3 feet and a total length over 5 feet. Additionally, they are often kept in large, uncovered pools or tanks. They are one of the most popular ray species to keep in modern zoos and aquariums, as they can be quite tame and often enjoy human interaction (many are kept in touch pools). In regards to captive breeding, the Cownose Ray is also quite the success story, as a number of modern zoos and aquariums have records of birthings.
Other species I noticed within the “not-counted tab” that seem to fit the requirements include, the Victorian Crowned Pigeon, Tenrec, and the European Hamster. The Victorian Crowned Pigeon is the largest pigeon species in the world and is largely a terrestrial species. It would likely function in the game quite similar to the Peafowl (it does appear though that the Crowned Pigeon’s inclusion within the “not-counted tab” is a typo, as it also appears within the meta-list as well). The Tenrec appears to have been merely requested as any of the family’s various species, and with that in mind, there are a few tenrec species of comparable size to the Black-Tailed Prairie Dog, which is currently PZ’s smallest habitat species. An adult Black-Tailed Prairie Dog usually measures between 12 and 16 inches, and the Tailless Tenrec, the world’s largest tenrec species, typically measures between 10 and 16 inches. Like the Tenrec, the European Hamster is also close in size to PZ’s Prairie Dog. The European Hamster usually measures between 10 and 16 inches as well. Additionally, burrowing creatures like these also seem to be of particular interest to Frontier recently, with their addition of not only digging mechanics but also soon-to-come burrows.
I say all this not with the intention to sound nit-picky or authoritative, but to instead advocate for the inclusion of the species I mentioned. To the people who voted for them, these are some of their biggest wishes for PZ, and Frontier has shown that these animals are, functionally speaking, totally possible. I know this was a lot to read through and you are likely quite busy finishing up your PhD, so I don’t expect any sort of rushed response to this post. Hope you can find some time to enjoy the holidays in your break, thank you again for all your work!
Since you have decided to keep this current version of the meta-list and allow everyone five more additions (which is understandable as I’m sure this version of the list has been quite the undertaking), I do have a few questions about some of the species currently excluded from the list. On my top 20 list, I noticed that some of my species selections were not counted towards the meta-list, though they do seem to meet the current “requirements” for it. Additionally upon reviewing others submissions and the current, not counted “exhibit and aviaries” tab you provided, there are a few other species people have been voting for that do seem to meet the rules as well.
On my list, the two species I voted for that weren’t counted were the Cownose Ray and the Giant Pacific Octopus. The Giant Octopus easily exceeds the size requirement for a species to be considered habitat-potential (with larger specimens typically reaching a radial span of over 20 feet). The species is usually kept in covered habitats though, as they are known to be exceptional escape artists, so perhaps this was your reasoning for not counting it?
For the Cownose Ray, I can’t really think of a reason as to why it wouldn’t meet the requirements. Adult Cownose Rays typically reach wingspans over 3 feet and a total length over 5 feet. Additionally, they are often kept in large, uncovered pools or tanks. They are one of the most popular ray species to keep in modern zoos and aquariums, as they can be quite tame and often enjoy human interaction (many are kept in touch pools). In regards to captive breeding, the Cownose Ray is also quite the success story, as a number of modern zoos and aquariums have records of birthings.
Other species I noticed within the “not-counted tab” that seem to fit the requirements include, the Victorian Crowned Pigeon, Tenrec, and the European Hamster. The Victorian Crowned Pigeon is the largest pigeon species in the world and is largely a terrestrial species. It would likely function in the game quite similar to the Peafowl (it does appear though that the Crowned Pigeon’s inclusion within the “not-counted tab” is a typo, as it also appears within the meta-list as well). The Tenrec appears to have been merely requested as any of the family’s various species, and with that in mind, there are a few tenrec species of comparable size to the Black-Tailed Prairie Dog, which is currently PZ’s smallest habitat species. An adult Black-Tailed Prairie Dog usually measures between 12 and 16 inches, and the Tailless Tenrec, the world’s largest tenrec species, typically measures between 10 and 16 inches. Like the Tenrec, the European Hamster is also close in size to PZ’s Prairie Dog. The European Hamster usually measures between 10 and 16 inches as well. Additionally, burrowing creatures like these also seem to be of particular interest to Frontier recently, with their addition of not only digging mechanics but also soon-to-come burrows.
I say all this not with the intention to sound nit-picky or authoritative, but to instead advocate for the inclusion of the species I mentioned. To the people who voted for them, these are some of their biggest wishes for PZ, and Frontier has shown that these animals are, functionally speaking, totally possible. I know this was a lot to read through and you are likely quite busy finishing up your PhD, so I don’t expect any sort of rushed response to this post. Hope you can find some time to enjoy the holidays in your break, thank you again for all your work!
Would absolutely love those in the Game. We could even give them Enrichment Items to show their Intelligence like a Glass with a Screwtop that has Food inside of it.
While I'm writing about Enrichment to show the Intelligence of Animals, I want to say that if we'll ever get something like a Raven or Kea, we should get that Enrichment where the Food is underwater and they need to throw small Pebbles into the other Side until they can get it
Shout out to the marine iguana nice pick
Won't lie, I won't be a happy camper if Marine Iguanas never make it to PZ1, and aren't included in the base game for PZ2. At least one or the other, for the only marine lizard currently existing.
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Glad to hear that someone else would also like to see a Giant Pacific Octopus in PZ one day! They would definitely be unique from any species currently available in the game, and allow for some really creative habitat builds. Your ideas on potential enrichment items for them as well as avians (I could totally get behind a Raven and Kea in PZ) are all things I'd love to see. Another fun and useful octopus-focused enrichment item could even be clear tubes, much like the ones hamsters use. The builder could connect the tubes together and the octopi would pass through them, allowing one to create "passages" so an octopus could, in theory, move between tanks. It's also worth noting that octopi have no "hard parts" in their bodies besides their beaks, meaning they are able to fit in incredibly small spaces.Would absolutely love those in the Game. We could even give them Enrichment Items to show their Intelligence like a Glass with a Screwtop that has Food inside of it.
While I'm writing about Enrichment to show the Intelligence of Animals, I want to say that if we'll ever get something like a Raven or Kea, we should get that Enrichment where the Food is underwater and they need to throw small Pebbles into the other Side until they can get it
Here's a cool example of one escaping off a boat through a rather small scupper hole (hopefully the YT video link is allowed)
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But that's an other very niche species. They are really cool, but keeping them is quite difficult and Ecuador doesn't alow any exportation of Galápagos fauna. I'm aware there are some in Japan and in an African country (I'm not sure which one, and I'm not finding the information at the moment). But they were probably smuggled, so I don't think this would be a good conservation message...
But a Cyclura species would be absolutely great!
The red river hog is probably a top 5 animal for me outside of those I consider truly essential (capybara leopard baboon emu), so fingers are tightly crossed for it. I'm also glad it's gotten a nice new display of support here.Red River hog thank you for all the votes from the bottom of her heart and kindly asks for more
FUN FACT: It's not just a fashion statement! Red river hogs will straighten out their ear tufts when threatened to appear more intimidating.
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Unlike my precious tanuki
This Tube Idea might be interesting (overhead Tunnel in a Building that's named Aquatic Monkey House
).Tubes could also be filled with Food, so they can use their Tentacles to get it.
I assume they might also be able to open Clams?
Funfact about Giant Squids (I know they are totally different but I just thought about it): They do have a Donut shaped Brain and the Esophagus is going through the Middle which means that they can get Brain Damage if they swallow a Piece of Food that is too big for them
Interesting. I thought there are no Marine Iguanas at all in Captivity. I would still prefer a more common Species (hopefully with the added Possibility to either keep it in a Exhibit or in a normal Habitat)
Edit: removed the Link to the Octopus Beach Walk Video because it turned out to be a Fake
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Sure the exhibit size is large but the iguana just sits there. They're incredibly active lizards and the exhibit system doesn't do them justice. The snakes and frogs make sense in the exhibits but the iguanas don't. I'd hate to see another large animal that's actually active be stuck in the 4x4 cube. It's a waste.
I meant to say land dwelling crustacean. You'ree absolutely correct that the japanese spider crab is larger. My mistake.
1. Red River Hog
2. Asian Small Clawed Otter
3. Hamadryas Baboon
4. Common Wombat
5. South American Coati
Again randomgoat, big thanks for doing all of this!
