Make fighters landing-capable.
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I always kept a fighter hanger in my explo ship. The conda doesn't always land nicely where the geo and bio signals are and the fighter already has a comp scanner. Also, when you get board you can deploy your fighter, kill your thrusters, swap to fighter and try to dock while it's in free fall. Great fun
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I decided to bump this post, as it was most commented and with Community Managers presence in it. I counted a dozen of posts with the same request including my own for the last months.
There are some mock-ups of how it could be:
1) Deploying the fighter.
2) Choosing a pilot. Here we can choose if we want to go in telepresence or not.
3) Landed.
4) There is an option to Disembark.
5) This option is disabled if we piloting the fighter in telepresence mode.
6) We have an options to Dismiss and Recall the main ship.
7) On that screen we also have a button "Request Docking". Ideally we need two buttons "Request Docking" and "Dismiss" when both main ship and a fighter are in-flight over planetary surface, but it might be OK to replaced one button with another depending if the SLF is landed or not.
There are some mock-ups of how it could be:
1) Deploying the fighter.
2) Choosing a pilot. Here we can choose if we want to go in telepresence or not.
3) Landed.
4) There is an option to Disembark.
5) This option is disabled if we piloting the fighter in telepresence mode.
6) We have an options to Dismiss and Recall the main ship.
7) On that screen we also have a button "Request Docking". Ideally we need two buttons "Request Docking" and "Dismiss" when both main ship and a fighter are in-flight over planetary surface, but it might be OK to replaced one button with another depending if the SLF is landed or not.
So they should add physical or telepresence modes to the SLF
WIth the regular death mechanics for physical deaths in the SLF
Then they should add Fuel consumption to the SLF (iirc there is none) and they should also solve the tethering issue when in Physical mode.
And since SLF has no supercruise capability, one should require a ship recall - as needed for SRV too...
For what gameplay?
I mean, the SRV has it's role in exploration or for Settlement interactions.
And the SRV has rather limited firepower but also a sort of high immunity from NPC aerial attacks (Combat Air Patrols protecting certain settlements)
The SLF will have no such immunity and the next outcry would be SLF are useless, they get killed instantly
The only usage i can see would be in Exobio. It will cover distances faster, but with added downside of longer land/disembark times - so while it could be useful for bio separated by several km, it would not be as useful for bio separated by 300m
And why would you use a SLF and not your DBX/Cobra/iCourier?
It would also enable people with larger ships to land and get out at smaller stations - leave your Cutter in orbit and fly down to land at a small pad in your fighter (Or if you are not landing at a pad, your fighter can land in a smaller space so you don't have to treck half way across the planet to get to it).
Yes.
Yes.
That would be logical, yes, but SLFs fly with no fuel for a long time already. So I don't see that as essential for the landing feature either.
Yes.
- general planetary exploration
- exobiology
- multi-crew gameplay (where a team using SLFs and SRVs from one ship, it will give more independence for members, to land and disembark)
- landing when L pad is not available (possibly, that is an extra because it needs a docking feature)
That's different issue. I don't see relation for ability SLF to land.
And why would you use a SLF and not your DBX/Cobra/iCourier?
I use DBX for exobio, but why should I be limited in using a small ship only? What is the cool option for big ships? Yes, I see they can take SLF with them, but the SLF currently cannot land. I think that option is a very nice addition to gameplay.
P.S. I also can imagine if one day we will get a big ship which for a reason of size cannot fit into the mailslot the logical evolutionary option would be to allow SLF to dock, but firstly it needs an ability to land.
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yea, but they're tethered to 30km...
That seems to be related to the "maximum distance of stable telepresence signal".
Sure, but if physical, then it needs fuel consumption like a srv - after all, the human needs life support and the SLF needs power
Dont get me wrong, i'm not against physical manned SLF IF it gets all the required penalties imposed by the human presence on-board (fuel requirements, death mechanics and death penalties, no supercruise abilities, etc)
Simply Joy - it's great fun zooming around planets with canyons, can traverse terrain that'd make you vomit in the SRV, but could land on a divot: Pop out, scan then back in and onto the next one.
I have to admit I have an SLF in my Krait, but no pilot (I'll pay for one when he can sit in the cockpit with me) and will take her out on an interesting world - it's exhilarating
(don't make any money tho' and is why I can't afford a fleet carrier).Agree. All such mechanics exist for SRV, I see no reason why that should be different for SLF.
If it would be an option to supercruise in SLF (no hyperjumps) - one could use it to quickly fly from one ground POI to another or between planets in same system.
It could be an option of auto-ejecting from SLF if close to the surface. And continue on-foot in case of successful "landing". In the end we already have combat zone dropships (low altitude) and jump-geysers (depending on the gravity may be up to kilometers).
Probably for space (combat) it would be better to keep only tele-presence option for "main" pilot.
There is no such option if you die in the SRV, why it would be for the SLF?
In case it is not a rhetorical question
I would like to have such an option for SRV too - eject at critical damage with reduced health.
Would also be fun to dock at an outpost in a small shuttle from a large ship. A special SLF that can carry a tiny SRV (bike?) would be also very, very neat.
No, I mean you go to a planet in your shuttle, get out, and drive away on your bike.
The entire 'but what about telepresence?!' discusion is silly. FD invented SLFs, and considered it fun if you could just re-spawn in a new one if you died. Some would argue its not 'realistic' so they went 'yeah yeah telepresence whatever lol'. Fine, dont care. But at literal no point ever should telepresence play any role whatsoever in designing new stuff. The only reasonable criterion is: is this fun. Yes? Do it. No? Dont. Is landing in a shuttle to ride a cool bike around fun? Yes. So do it.
"But I play for the realism and this makes no sense?!" If your main ship died you respawn in an exact replica up to tens of thousands of lightyears away within a second. Did that ever bother you? No? There ya go.
What I consider not being
That is probaly a topic for another discussion - would it be more realistic to give insurance company a day or two to assemble the exact replica of your ship? Meanwhile you can do some tutorial/CQC fights sweetly dreaming in the escape pod being delivered to the last (or maybe better closest?) station."But I play for the realism and this makes no sense?!" If your main ship died you respawn in an exact replica up to tens of thousands of lightyears away within a second. Did that ever bother you? No? There ya go.
I mean that was already a pretty forced and gimmicky idea that did little to preserve immersion.
I mean if I can get blasted by rockets, get heat stroke, and asphxiate on a planet just to respawn in my ship. I don't know how it makes less sense that it happens if my fighter goes boom
A choice between physical and telepresence would solve that.
However, i really don't like telepresence as a concept and wish FD would do away with it. If this required some other handwavium for multicrew with distant people, so be it.