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To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?
- Thread starter AMX-008 GaZowmn
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I'm beginning to think you're giving out misinformation on purpose. That's... not something I can respect.
Mobius groups have hit cap before.
Mobius players are now split over several groups. These are, obviously by intention, not at cap now so that new members can still be added.
Having PvE players in one mode is obviously better for co-op play than fragmenting them over several groups.
Getting chucked of of the group you want to play in without knowing why and having no way to appeal would be annoying.
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More like altruistic. Say I have instanced with cmdr "Nooby Noob", now commander "Ganky Gank" tries instancing, but founds himself in empty instance. Because me blocking cmdr "Ganky Gank" protects "Nooby Noob" from "Ganky Gank". If others also have "Ganky Gank" on their lists our cmdr "Ganky Gank" founds himself flying pretty deserted game, and have a lots of time to reflect his choices...Okay I may not care about cmdr "Ganky Ganks" instancing problems. Though Ganky Gank does not care if cmdr Nooby Noob rage quits game for good after his antics either.
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Okay maybe nooby noob wants to learn some pvp stuff, thats possible, but for that there are pretty much better ways than getting roflstomped in couple of seconds.
The effect is more pronounced if Ganky Gank doesn't have a dedicated IPv4 address (because of CGNAT or Dual Stack Lite) or is for other reasons not directly reachable as a peer on the technical level. Hence anyone who doesn't have him on the list can't get to instance with him if he is elected instance host either.
That is why people think blocking breaks instancing. The real issue is that those people have a broken form of internet access in the first place.
That is why people think blocking breaks instancing. The real issue is that those people have a broken form of internet access in the first place.
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And folks thats the real reason our Ganky Ganks types profoundly HATE block function. Do service for community, block your local ganker for good 
Mr noob with his empty block list is as likely to end up in the sharktank on entering the system where you and mr g are, which is worse, net, in my view. You have created this artificial dichotomy between extremes for mr noob, or me, for that matter, even though we both selected "open play" - not everyone is trying to get revenge, or happy to pay forward their bad experiences, either in game or on the forum, and many are open to all encounters as part of their approach to the game. The main problem with block overuse is fragmented instancing where the block venn diagram gets complex, and people who want to end up in instance together or instance freely cannot, because of precisely the sort of artificial added division you describe. I should rephrase my original comment to "no better than", perhaps
.Well there is simple way to avoid getting to my list. Do not try to gank meMr noob with his empty block list is as likely to end up in the sharktank on entering the system where you and mr g are, which is worse, net, in my view. You have created this artificial dichotomy between extremes for mr noob, or me, for that matter, even though we both selected "open play" - not everyone is trying to get revenge, or happy to pay forward their bad experiences, either in game or on the forum, and many are open to all encounters as part of their approach to the game. The main problem with block overuse is fragmented instancing where the block venn diagram gets complex, and people who want to end up in instance together or instance freely cannot, because of precisely the sort of artificial added division you describe. I should rephrase my original comment to "no better than", perhaps
At least if we are out of inhabited anarchy system. Kind of common courtesy. I do not want unconcented PVP, and I do not regard clicking Open as concent.Nothing to do with learning to PvP, just not being discouraged by a skill and equipment spectrum, or seeing being blown up or an incomplete task as "losing" in any meaningful way. Some people just don't mind occasionally being blown up, or entertaining the possibility of it (since as ever, the rest of the galaxy except that one place remains "safe").
If someone wishes to grief you, they will find a way.
Toggle damage off between players?
You're just inviting people to prevent you from moving by getting your ship trapped between a wing of t-10s.
Remove PVP collision too?
They will move in front of your targets and ram npcs into you, etc..
Eventually you will be left with the only option of having no other players at all, or only the players you wish to play with.
You can be sure that even if everything else is disabled, someone will ram and destroy the loot you're trying to collect with your scoop just because you get angry about it.
I'm pretty sure the developers brainstormed through this already when making the game, and thus they were left with the modes that bypass a lot of moderation issues that would arise from "open PVE" griefing.
Open griefing doesn't exist, it's just a gameplay feature. There are other modes for people who do not wish to play with these features.
Toggle damage off between players?
You're just inviting people to prevent you from moving by getting your ship trapped between a wing of t-10s.
Remove PVP collision too?
They will move in front of your targets and ram npcs into you, etc..
Eventually you will be left with the only option of having no other players at all, or only the players you wish to play with.
You can be sure that even if everything else is disabled, someone will ram and destroy the loot you're trying to collect with your scoop just because you get angry about it.
I'm pretty sure the developers brainstormed through this already when making the game, and thus they were left with the modes that bypass a lot of moderation issues that would arise from "open PVE" griefing.
Open griefing doesn't exist, it's just a gameplay feature. There are other modes for people who do not wish to play with these features.
All other situations need pretty much predefined setup. And that is dealable with banning reported trolls.
And why come to do PVP in non-PVP mode unless you want to troll?
I've never even seen you - I guess I tend to end up in the other instance due to not blocking, haha. But that's the whole point isn't it? I don't have to be on your list for you to detriment my freedom of instancing and maybe put me in the CG sharktank instance (it certainly feels that way!).Well there is simple way to avoid getting to my list. Do not try to gank me
Also I have no interest in attacking you for no in-game reason, but ganking has no agreed definition, and is probably a more used word due to its flexibility. And in-game reasons are not always apparent to the target. What if we were of oppositing powerplay pledges (likely with a CMDR name like Duval)? Or opposite sides in a CZ? Why does the system have to be inhabited? I have no idea what your rules are. And no reason I could give is fully "in-game", there's always an element of personal preference for an activity on the day - most times I see a pledged opponent and have better things to do than confront them directly, although I'll be quite happy for someone else to thus interrupt their opposition.
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Will Powerplay get a rework in future?
I understand that developers hands are full with Odyssey stuff along with possible soon-ish Thargoid on-foot combat... but I keep a hope that Powerplay will also get some love in 2022. Because, despite it's numerous issues, like hugely unbalanced faction module rewards (some OP, some...
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I think that's his point, trolls will follow you into open-PvE even if the average PvPer won't. Given the detriment to normal open that an open-PvE mode creates due to the split and the nudge it provides the average player toward the safer mode, and with the choice of the "all in" mode gone, you might even create some new disgruntled trolls. Also, even if PvP is off the menu, in an oppositional situation, it's in someone's interest to prevent your activity regardless of how.
Just my two cents as a casual fairly new player ( I bought the game in Horizons and have less than 100 hours) I will do Open play when I'm exploring outside the bubble because the thrill of meeting someone way out there is so slim it would be fun. When I'm farming materials I'm solo play because I've learned there are not very nice people who loiter around those places and like causing misery for their jollies. When mining, trading, or doing anything else I'm group play because playing with friends is still fun.
So short answer yes. I would open play all the time and have fun bumping into people or passing them if a system like the one below quoted from @Screemonster was implemented.
So short answer yes. I would open play all the time and have fun bumping into people or passing them if a system like the one below quoted from @Screemonster was implemented.
I'm not clicking on that, I want some time with my family, untriggered, unseething.Lads/Lasses/neuter:-
This thread is old hat, but look:-
Will Powerplay get a rework in future?
I understand that developers hands are full with Odyssey stuff along with possible soon-ish Thargoid on-foot combat... but I keep a hope that Powerplay will also get some love in 2022. Because, despite it's numerous issues, like hugely unbalanced faction module rewards (some OP, some...
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Those trolls can be removed for good
By block and by active adminstrative measuresIf I get to Open Powerplay or CZ of course I'm fair game. (Haven't been in PP since I got prismatics) "inhabited" is to distinguish deep black from real anarchy systems. I do block if somebody chooses to shoot my unarmed exploration vessel.
See below.
This. Even our infamous boy wizard ganker was seen in solo often enough. If you chose to play (honest) open only, don't complain.
The original Mobius group hit the cap. Then they decided to split by regions. Since then, at best the original is still at the cap.
No one except me is giving numbers for PG membership in this thread. It would be interesting to get a confirmation of my suspicion, that
no PvE PG has hit the cap, with the possible exception of the original Mobius. What is the Fleetcom number?
Wouldn't fit the narrative of open PvE proponents though
@TiberiusDuval (sorry botched the multiquote)
I usually don't gank (last time was early last year and the number of people I blew up without reason can be counted on one hand, no hyperbole.And folks thats the real reason our Ganky Ganks types profoundly HATE block function. Do service for community, block your local ganker for good
So I don't really have many stakes in this.
And still I hate block profoundly because of the effect it has on instancing.
If I could chose, I would say remove the block completely and add a open PvE as alternative to open, just to remove the effects blocking has on instancing. It's the lesser evil.
Or keep all as it is, obviously.