Yes, I'm a graphic junkie when some of my prefered games are "Dwarf Fortress", "To the moon" or "Valiant hearts".
Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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Star Citizens main render thread has actually been largely (tho not entirely) solved through their work with AMD. those of us who have been playing it for many years will remember in 2016 getting 30 FPS at port Olisar and we were glad to get that much, its where the whole "Star Citizen runs like dog poo" comes from, the performance and for a few years now in the same location is much better, despite Port Olisar actually being more complex than it was in those days.
Other areas such as large cities don't run great, but they just wouldn't be possible at all without that work.
There is more that can be done with a full Vulkan implementation to increase performance, not just for CPU Draw Calls but also the graphics render.
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I actually agree, they haven't been working on it. Partly because they were hoping Amazon would do the heavy lifting and add support to Lumberyard for them, before LY was instead spun off into O3DE, but also because they've made such a pig's ear of "StarEngine" in the last decade that "refactoring" it for Vulkan in a a way that would actually benefit from it would mean rebuilding SC from the ground up.
You will never see 1000 players in your local in Star Citizen, and here is why.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1jwF8CPdkM
I have no doubt, there are other things CIg are doing badly, as well. Thanks for clarifying.
FPS has improved a bit for me in EDO, since update 11. SC's performance has only gotten worse for me.
Yeah, its offtopic, but performance has increased a little bit for me in EDO as well. And i think the lighting has improved a little bit (although that's subjective of course).
Other things they're doing badly? CIG is really good at culling, even better than FDev.
For me it has improved, but the graphic quality has only decreased since the DLC release.
So you are saying there is not much they can improve?
Oh god I love Ray.
He concludes his whole Server Meshing series by majoring on... client limitations (polygons yo
). And the physical capacities of existing assets (an old favourite of his). And sure, he's not wrong. Those things are absolutely blockers to 1000+ player densities. But he's totally faffing around the edges of the issue, avoiding the Idris in the room...
Y'know... the networking stuff. The devs have plenty to say on how both player concentrations and dispersal are issues in that respect too. And that they don't have solutions nailed down either technically or via game design compensations:
- Player concentrations:
- "Clearly that is going to be a problem if we allow shards to have many more players than the 50 we have right now in our single-server “shards”. So, don’t expect player counts to increase much with the first version. That avoids the issue of a single server node becoming full before players get there since we’ll limit the maximum player count per shard based on the worst case."
- "Without mechanics to prevent every single player going to the same location, a large mega shard will be very hard to achieve, especially on the client. For example, there could be a mechanic to temporarily close jump points to crowded locations, or create new layers for certain locations."
- Player dispersal:
- "Actually the worst case is if all the players decide to spread themselves out between all the locations assigned to a single server node. That way, the poor server will be trying to deal not only with all of the players but it will also need to have streamed in all of its locations. The obvious answer is to allow more servers per shard, so each server node has fewer locations it may need to stream in. However, because this is a static mesh and everything is fixed in advance, having more server nodes per shard also increases running costs."
Ray prefers to dreamcraft scenarios where numerous complementary XenoThreats happen in concert, rather than visit these dev thoughts with their blunt MVP 'blockade the fun zone' musings.
I wonder whose dream game is more likely to come true?
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Shouldn't be surprised though. After all Ray is the guy who managed to identify the unscalably recursive nature of the old Server Meshing design. And then conclude:
Rather than the more obvious conclusion of: "Holy crap, this is never going to work!"
Even when he thinks he's speaking hard truths, Ray is still mainly laying on the honey
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Ah layers, you know we sometimes get put into "layers" in LOTRO, it says when the current area is seperated into multiple layers and has a little icon that looks like a stack of papers in the corner so you know while you may be in the same area as a friend you won't see them unless you both join a fellowship outside the area before entering so you get assigned to the same layer. Date of LOTRO release? 2007, yes 2007, and CIG are still talking about "layers".
Culling alone? Probably not too much, except actually culling ship interiors which they currently dont. But they do cull everything else.
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Rather than the more obvious conclusion of: "Holy crap, this is never going to work!"
Even when he thinks he's speaking hard truths, Ray is still mainly laying on the honey
Standard SC idiocy. Or standard scam behaviour. Depends on who actually believes this tosh, but one thing is clear - there is an idiot involved in any case.
They've certainly culled the gameplay pretty well
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Ray strikes me as someone who is very much in earnest. A classic long-term fan, with an unrelated technical background, and lots of time and desire to fan-craft between the dots. The many, many dots, which make up the constellation of SC promises
(And yes, I think he's being very daft too. Despite gargling a lot of the nuts and bolts of what they've said, he's mainly regurgitating dreams of his very own devising...)