That really worked well the last 67 times. Maybe we should write an open letter?
ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?
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I thought the improved comms between Odyssey's launch and December 2021 were great, to be fair. And as Arf and co on the CM team have said repeatedly, including in-person at the recent Cambridge Elite Meet, they want to improve the comms too.That really worked well the last 67 times. Maybe we should write an open letter?
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Whoa, I didn't know about that!
Absolutely, regarding communication it was pretty much the best year since release. I don't think they stopped that level of communication because the content creators forgot to remind them though...
And just for the record, I am not very serious anyway.
It also didn't happen.
The story is somewhat embellished - it was his out-of-warranty GPU that had died initially, and OA was fundraising for a replacement which people were more than happy to help with, the funds allowing for a top-end one, plus other parts for other faulty components - but here is the forum thread:
Obsidian Ant's GPU just burned !
I know this is not the right place to talk about this so I apologise to the mods and admins. But I know that here this topic will have the most impact. Dear Obsidian seems to be in quite the predicament, for him to resort for a donation appeal it must be serious.[knocked out] So I will just...
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I dont think anyone is having a dig at OA. (that's an important distinction)
However people are having a dig at his Elite content posted in the last period - and this is free game (imo) since not everyone has to agree with the views expressed on his YT channel or the way those views are expressed.
My own disagreement comes from what is an obvious tabloid and click-bait presentation of the difficult times Elite goes through atm.
Which does not benefit Elite at all, but it's obviously benefiting OA, which judging by the clicks, is having a really good time. (and that's ok, it's his business, but i dont have to like it)
And the "just presenting the news" justification does not really cut it since delivering the bad news had to be done in certain ways, else a lot of extra harm can and will be induced to the subject of the bad news (which is already in bad position)
I get it there is seemingly a number of people disappointed in FDev and they're wanting see FDev badly burned down, but if Elite goes down it's a lose-lose situation for everyone, haters included.
So, to conclude,
Some people seem to enjoy watching FDev and Elite being roasted, even tho this may badly affect ED up to the point of FDev shutting it down
Other people still seem to enjoy the game, even tho they may have their own share of disappointments regarding the game, and they want to be able to enjoy the game for the years to come
While others simply seem to jump in and capitalize on FDev's misfortunes.
And all of them can freely express their opinions no matter if those are positive opinions or critique - which is why i really love these forums
You'll see other posts where I've said exactly the same ;-)
While it is challenging for the CMs the general chatter during the livestreams shows that many viewers enjoy the streams and personal interaction, regardless of also wanting more development information.
weird duplication
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The story is somewhat embellished - it was his out-of-warranty GPU that had died, and OA was fundraising for a replacement which people were more than happy to help with, the funds allowing for a top-end one - but here is the forum thread:
Obsidian Ant's GPU just burned !
I know this is not the right place to talk about this so I apologise to the mods and admins. But I know that here this topic will have the most impact. Dear Obsidian seems to be in quite the predicament, for him to resort for a donation appeal it must be serious.[knocked out] So I will just...forums-new.frontier.co.uk
Thanks for the link, I was about to start searching for it.
I wouldnt call anything I wrote an embellishment though, more a reasonable analysis based on reading between the lines of the data we had.
They were great indeed, but they stemmed from the fact that Odyssey was launched in such a bad state and the comms were part of mitigation and damage control.
Then 2 things happened:
- EDO got improved quite significantly (but still not enough and with lots and lots of room for improvement)
- Since EDO not only failed to meet sales expectations but also incurred a lot of extra costs, we've seen a lot of budgetary cuts happening post the fiscal report for the fist half of FY2022 - that is starting from January 2022.
So yea, i have absolutely no doubt that Arf really wants to improve comms - but they have little to work with.
And if Elite will not manage to fund itself, FDev will have to shut it off, unless DBOBE manages to persuade the board to keep funding his pet project using money from other profitable projects.
I rather fail to get this obsession for news which may sound as heresy to some.
FDev is not a news outlet, it's a game studio.
Their streams are about ingame events and playing the game - thus interacting with the community
And people do seem to enjoy that. (yesterday i managed to secure me a long work day so i missed it completely, but i've seen it in the previous streams)
It's really too bad that replies to those on the list are not also hidden. I get baited way too often to click that "show hidden content" (or whatever it says) on quote boxes of people I otherwise ignore, mainly because curiosity of what they said that triggered a certain response.
It would also be nice if ignore was bi-directional, like a full and proper block. That would go a long way to cut down on the bullying and trolling.
Indeed. It's been a dog chasing its tail for a couple days now. Though ironically this goes to prove OA's point, because I think this thread would have long disappeared on the back page of the "New Posts" list if there was official news from Frontier about Elite - something, anything. Nature abhors a vacuum, and thus we 38+ pages of discussion about whether some random* Youtube guy is a hero or a villain.
* nothing personal OA, just trying to make a point
You said that everyone who objected was banned. And yet I see quite a lot of people who objected but weren't banned in that thread.
So if anyone was banned I guess that's not because they objected right?
In other words, you probably just made it up?
While that is true, it also creates the problem of everyone retreating into their own echo chamber where they only read things they like. For that alone I don't put anyone on the forums on ignore, no matter how much I may disagree with them.
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You said that everyone who objected was banned. And yet I see quite a lot of people who objected but weren't banned in that thread.
So if anyone was banned I guess that's not because they objected right?
In other words, you probably just made it up?
1. Everyone who I interacted with at the time (including those culled from the thread) that objected ate a heavy number of infractions, which prevented them from continuing to express their disgust with the blatant show of favouritism and 'one rule for one, another for the rest' Frontier and the moderation team was fostering at the time with this community (see: the way SDC/Other PvP groups actual charity events for actual charitable causes were often objected to and opposed).
2. I'm glad you're sidestepping the broad declaration 'it didnt happen' to focus on a specific part, when quite clearly, the core point of my post did. That Obsidian was able, through a thread started by of one of his community, post a request for money on this forum to build himself a new PC, which Frontier happily endorsed and in some employees cases, gave money towards.
I know that they showed their disgust with insults which is what got them banned, it wasn't that they objected but the way they've done it.
Well it was the part that I meant.
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By the way, obviously it also was the core point of your post. The only thing that made your post remotely interesting was the made up claim of favouritism by the mods which (as we can see in the original thread) never happened.
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I put stuff on ignore all the time. Ususally it just troll accounts anyway that you never see again either way.
For me it's not about removing debate. Heck, the reason I become addicted to this forum is the debate! If it were just butt-kissing "Hey, you're right, again!", it would be boring beyond belief. Just look at my post history - I'm always disagreeing with people, LOL. That wouldn't be possible if I had created an echo chamber.
For me the ignore list is like a squelch on a CB radio, it cuts out all the noise. There are people who are not interested in honest debate, just the opposite, they want to drown out reasonable debate. Other people are just "noisy", burying discussions in blah blah blah. And then there are bullies, trolls, flamers, and generally mean anti-social people. I have pretty much zero tolerance for that lot. Not that I'm perfect in this regard, though I usually don't start a debate this way.
FWIW, I have no doubt I'm on a few ignore lists, and I understand why and accept it. I'm not the model forum poster. I look up to people like Ian Doncaster and Alec Turner as much more reasonable contributors to a positive forum experience.
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