Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

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Old Duck said:
I don't understand this argument. I guess it makes sense if you're buying stock rather than a product, but when I buy a car for example, I don't concern myself with how the factory divided my payment among its employees.
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That's because you buy a fully functional car that you can use to go places with. In SC case, people "invest" in promises made by CiG, and their money is then being used to whatever fancy of the day passes through CRoberts mind, instead of delivering the promised product.
Now imagine you buy a car, but instead they give you a jpeg of said car, and then spend your money on revamping the marketing office wallpaper. And then, still no car (but the jpeg looks good !). Would you be pleased ?

Old Duck said:
Disclaimer - I am not nor ever have been a Kickstarter backer, so maybe that's why I'm left confused by your statement..
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I'm one of the early backers.
 

cigwatch

cigwatch
LittleAnt said:
For sure, the "whales" are responsible at 98% of the current funding. Can I conclude they are happy whales ? Because if the number of players stagnates (or increases so little), the only way to explain the explosion of funding is probably a similar explosion of average whale's income :sneaky:
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www.smh.com.au

Scientology is shrinking fast and getting richer. How is this possible?

Scientology has deep and troubled roots in Australia and insists it is still growing fast. But the figures tell another story.
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varonica

varonica
LittleAnt said:
Yeah, for sure all new comers in SC are just gullible guys ready to fall in a cult (while we are just talking about a game :rolleyes: ). Keep you head in the sand.
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With no mention of whether or not SC is a cult, I don't personally think it is, I think it's just a rather well though out marketing scheme, but you do realise this is exactly the way people who get drawn into a cults actually think? They justify their presence because, well all these other people here agree with me and we can't all be wrong. The fact is, yes, we can all be wrong sometimes (for whatever group think we are at the moment part of.)

Cults attract people who are gullible, so do good marketing schemes, people who see through the cult/marketing scheme leave, people who don't, well they don't leave, but from inside it's hard to see the flaws. But it shouldn't be the people partaking that attract oprobium, for the record I think the recent spate of posts about Drew Wagar were out of order completely, but that's just me I guess.
 

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varonica said:
With no mention of whether or not SC is a cult, I don't personally think it is, I think it's just a rather well though out marketing scheme, but you do realise this is exactly the way people who get drawn into a cults actually think?
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Do you realise that the best way to explain why the funding of SC is going so well in 2022 is because newcomers enjoy the game ? That what you call here a laughable crappy alpha is perhaps not a laughable crappy alpha for more and more newcomers ? No, the answer here is because SC is a cult and the awful marketing team is pointing it's buying gun at each newcomer (which is necessarily stupid since he didn't run away while testing the game, that's why he fall to the trap easily)...

We talk about a game here, not about the Moon sect...
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
varonica said:
With no mention of whether or not SC is a cult, I don't personally think it is, I think it's just a rather well though out marketing scheme, but you do realise this is exactly the way people who get drawn into a cults actually think? They justify their presence because, well all these other people here agree with me and we can't all be wrong. The fact is, yes, we can all be wrong sometimes (for whatever group think we are at the moment part of.)

Cults attract people who are gullible, so do good marketing schemes, people who see through the cult/marketing scheme leave, people who don't, well they don't leave, but from inside it's hard to see the flaws. But it shouldn't be the people partaking that attract oprobium
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varonica said:
for the record I think the recent spate of posts about Drew Wagar were out of order completely, but that's just me I guess.
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Unfortunately Drew has been 'weaponised' somewhat, with his amiable weekly vids repeatedly being used as 'proofs' of various grand SC claims by the likes of Ant & LTNTDan. (Most notably as part of the silly 'ED refugee' tribalism.)

To tackle their arguments you have to tackle the examples presented somewhat. I don't think anyone has been overly harsh on the guy recently though, given that backdrop. He's just become somewhat atavistic in that debate.

If it weren't for his vids getting constantly posted here by uber-fans I doubt he'd be mentioned at all ¯\(ツ)/¯
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
Mole HD said:
My 7 year old 27" 60Hz 1080p left hand monitor has just went pop...it's like playing with one eye shut. Had to fork out and order a new & shiny 27" 165Hz 2k one to replace it. It might have been old and had been relegated to just displaying all the day to day guff I run in the background when I'm playing on the main monitor rather than being a gaming display...but as the last remaining part of my original PC build from back then, there was a touch of nostalgia attached to it :confused:

Back in 2015/16 when the original Mole cave was the 'Harry Potter' cupboard under the stairs :D

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Love the wallpaper! Great shot. Sadly spoiled by having no zombie cows. Otherwise perfect.
 

LittleAnt

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Xink said:
This morning I did a really good job at deforming my bed sheets with multiple splines of vector control in the 4D motion planes.

I bet CIG would hire me for Tier 2 bedsheet deformation tech.
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And are you teleported to the seat of your car when you use it? Because if it's the case, CIG will not hire you, they don't do those things there.
 
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myothershipisacobraiv

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Do you wonder if like, there's a skunkworks department or team at CIG, that is tasked with profiling or seeding under-age player groups for being future SC whales? Like, making plans to shift the monetization and feature-dripping schemes to target a fresh round of people to scam who will be impressed by what so many people have been milked to create up to now? Bring in new guy, squeeze, phase out, new guy, squeeze, phase out. These new guys defend things "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" and so on.

I bet there is. I bet they're already planning around this kind of crap.
 

thistle

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VR Golgot said:
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Unfortunately Drew has been 'weaponised' somewhat, with his amiable weekly vids repeatedly being used as 'proofs' of various grand SC claims by the likes of Ant & LTNTDan. (Most notably as part of the silly 'ED refugee' tribalism.)

To tackle their arguments you have to tackle the examples presented somewhat. I don't think anyone has been overly harsh on the guy recently though, given that backdrop. He's just become somewhat atavistic in that debate.

If it weren't for his vids getting constantly posted here by uber-fans I doubt he'd be mentioned at all ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I genuinely enjoyed his stream yesterday explaining what is involved in being a published author.
 

thistle

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myothershipisacobraiv said:
Do you wonder if like, there's a skunkworks department or team at CIG, that is tasked with profiling or seeding under-age player groups for being future SC whales? Like, making plans to shift the monetization and feature-dripping schemes to target a fresh round of people to scam who will be impressed by what so many people have been milked to create up to now? Bring in new guy, squeeze, phase out, new guy, squeeze, phase out. These new guys defend things "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" and so on.

I bet there is. I bet they're already planning around this kind of crap.
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Your mistake here is 'planning'. There is no planning, only jpegs.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Xink said:
This morning I did a really good job at deforming my bed sheets with multiple splines of vector control in the 4D motion planes.

I bet CIG would hire me for Tier 2 bedsheet deformation tech.
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Just wait... the next thing Chris Roberts is going to insist on is to do motion capture for sleeping animations. At Andy Serkis' Imaginarium again, because he's now in the UK. Just to be extra fidelitous, he'll also have the expensive actors wired up to monitor heart rate and breathing, so that can be properly modeled in game...
 

Xink

Xink
Darkfyre99 said:
he'll also have the expensive actors wired up to monitor heart rate and breathing, so that can be properly modeled in game...
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Yes, but what happens when the NPC needs to T-pose on the bed in an emergency? How will the bedsheet deform then, and what happens to the semi-solid mass dynamics from the accident he had while sleeping.

Better make a team to investigate and properly model sheet deformation while NPCs T-pose on the bed while standing in the middle of their night time accident.
 
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