what else are they making harder for new players? How many hours it is taking now?
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People aren't allowed to disagree with your opinion?
Ok
1) Credits - they now rain from the sky. It used to be way harder to get credits. Took me a year to be able to afford an Anaconda hull, let alone actually upgrade it.
2) Engineering - was made way easier, not just with the rework, but with the addition of material/data traders, making upgrading engineers a whole lot quicker. No more searching for hard to get materials.
So YouTubers are a measure of player numbers rather than erm.. actual player numbers? A game's success depends on the number of YouTubers? God help us all!
I propose we jump in a discord and talk about these points, I am in wing 3 on what seems to be called teh elite dangerous community discord
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It's not for everyone. My best friend introduced me to the game but he barely plays as he can't find the time. You can't force it on people. They might want to pay an RTS. Or run around in the park instead.
What are they doing today? Go buy one in Maia or go find a barnacle. Nothing strange about either approach.
What are you comparing here? Realistically you ought to compare credits per hour of each activity. Mining - probably 120m per hour. Trading 100m an hour. Robigo 100-120m per hour. On foot CZs 80m per hour. I'm fairly sure someone's going to dispute these figures but in my opinion each activity is relatively similar in terms of pay per hour once you've got the hang of it.
read the thread or even the top post at least
I said repeatedly if I am wrong, I am wrong. I said repeatedly it is okay to disagree
Cut that too, you tried to put the onus on me, then you didn't like my source. Get your own source if you don't like mine.
In that specific case, I am saying that at least a few times where there were peak players, players were making over 500 million an hour
afaik material traders were added way back in 2018
And I've done that. But that seems excessive given the actually small pool of assets you have to buy in the game. 500m per hour is a fleet carrier in 10 hours and a fleet to go with it in another 20. Pffft. Well I might as well switch this off now and go outside. Seems like I've completed this game.
Then why did you say...
Seems like you don't like dissenting opinions.
And are we discussing opinions here or facts? If opinions, there is no right or wrong. Your OP did come across like you were trying to prove a point, a fact. Which is being debated.
Well yes, you made various claims, and counter claims are being made. But the onus is usually on those who make the initial claim. Also, what sources did you provide, because i don't see any sources in your OP, you made some statements.
Those statements are pretty strange as well.
Meta alloys harder to get now? You can just buy them. And there are FCs in the bubble that have stocks of them.
Seems to be a huge difference in our mindsets
Getting the fleet carrier is just a hoop of pointless work that I have to do to actually enjoy the game..
You have found your niche. Better stop making new threads, and make some videos.
The game is dying right now, in a dip lower than in years, fact
Opinion, engineering is harder now than ever before because of some facts and some small sample size observations
It is not black and white, some things are facts and some are opinions
Some of the factual data is not a large enough sample size
Time vs effort. 14 mil for 10 minutes in a cz
Do you get 14 mil for 10 minutes mining?
I reject the fundamental assertion that credit earning rate has anything to do with difficulty. Once you pass a very low level, asset accumulation outpaces the rate of actual content consumption and gameplay proficiency.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Put five zeros on to every payout in the game and it's not going to result in a massive influx or return of players because nothing is going to fundamentally change regarding gameplay. I'm sure there are some players who only play games to collect numbers, but they aren't going to be a large fraction of active players over any significant period of time...unless the game is well and truly dead.
You need a fleet carrier to enjoy the game?
I'm certainly not enamored with the current state of the game, but more credits and Engineering would probably make my experience even worse.
Engineering is objectively easier now than it was at any point prior to 3.0, at the very least. Due to various mechanism results are more predictable, more potent, and faster to obtain.
I don't think it's changed much post-3.0, other than with the addition of Odyssey Engineers, which have little to no impact on any of the Engineering that existed before them.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Put five zeros on to every payout in the game and it's not going to result in a massive influx or return of players because nothing is going to fundamentally change regarding gameplay. I'm sure there are some players who only play games to collect numbers, but they aren't going to be a large fraction of active players over any significant period of time...unless the game is well and truly dead.
You need a fleet carrier to enjoy the game?
I'm certainly not enamored with the current state of the game, but more credits and Engineering would probably make my experience even worse.
Engineering is objectively easier now than it was at any point prior to 3.0, at the very least. Due to various mechanism results are more predictable, more potent, and faster to obtain.
I don't think it's changed much post-3.0, other than with the addition of Odyssey Engineers, which have little to no impact on any of the Engineering that existed before them.
Engineering isn't hard or necessary. It's just with everything in Elite you can take the hard route or the easy route. You can spend days, years even grinding away if you don't know what you're doing and never acheive better rank of good credits. Or you can do some research and do it easily.
Engineering? Go follow Fox's guide. As long as you have a decent ship and a few credits then, useful engineers all unlocked in the span of a week's playtime. Simples. Materials are also simple to get if you follow the right guides. It's not hard, it just requires the player to engage their brain rather than repeatedly beating it against a wall.
That said, the game does not make any of this obvious from within the game. There are hints and pointers but you are certainly not spoon fed and information sources like inara and EDSM are leagues beyond in game sources. But we all have Google for that
It looks like the main disagreement is how long should it take to get a fleet carrier and what is the point of the game
Getting a fleet carrier for me, it should take only 20 hours to be setup with as it is just another tool to do the things I want to play the game.
For others here, it seems that somehow that is the end of the game and the point is just to get one.
Getting a fleet carrier for me, it should take only 20 hours to be setup with as it is just another tool to do the things I want to play the game.
For others here, it seems that somehow that is the end of the game and the point is just to get one.
This is not the right game for you. But if you sooo desire the FC, with the known Credit meta you can grind one fast... also within 20 hours could be difficult now since the MA CG is over.
Alright wise guy. You make the accusation, the burden of proof is on you. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Repairs used to cost a lot more. Don't have pictures because that was years ago.
Income from combat used to pay the least and nothing paid well at all comparable to today.
Jump ranges were pretty small. No boosters, no engineering at all was available.
Mining yielded terrible return on time spent and you could only laser mine.
Power play... well power play hasn't changed since inception so far as I can tell so it still has problems.
Twitch != life of game.
That's just weird.
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