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That's a little too tin foil hattery, even for here.

Who knows man, Agent has hinted at non-declared investments, at minimum. (This being from one of his more reliable sources seemingly, given some of the other bits panning out)

TheAgent - October 5th 2020 said:
  • recent "big ask" for another round of investments
  • this will include another round of monies for advertising
  • this ask also includes a large amount directly to Turbulent
  • Turbulent currently handles some networking, level design, gameplay design and more for SC
  • "We are not working on anything related to Squadron 42. That is all being handled by Wilmslow."
  • more and more of SC proper to be turned over to Turbulent
  • it has been a "rough transition" and still in process
  • starting this quarter, expect "a more detailed, polished and presentable roadmap" from Turbulent
  • unknown if this transition will be announced
  • "We don't know how are fans are going to react, but Chris is still heavily involved in the project."
  • Turbulent "only adding help" not "taking away development" from CI
  • "We are the same company, the same people, the same ones that have been working [on SC] this whole time."
  • some Turbulent employees feel sad about only being referred to as "the website guys"
  • "Loads of us play the game, love the game, fixed bugs, [and] have helped make gameplay decisions."
  • the stalled progress this year has made some management nervous about new deadlines
  • internally, SC is considered a live game and released [again, heard this years ago] *SQ42 "proper" is at least another 24 to 36 months out
  • as more and more new hires are brought in to replace devs, the code base gets more and more unstable.
  • "Almost no one is documenting. Almost no one talks to each other. We nod like bobbleheads, mute like carps."

Still definitely on the conjecture end of things though, for sure ;)
 

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Not that I have been paying much attention to who streams what in twitch, but I have just noticed a few reasonably large view number twitch streamers, at least for SC standards, in the last couple days, so I took a quick look. They all seem to have started streaming SC recently (days, weeks), and they all seem to play mostly Tarkov. Could be just a coincidence though.
 
My reaction to the newly released work in progress imaging of the BMM (thanks to reddit for this pic)...seems it's had a Carrack style nose job :rolleyes:

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That's not quite how it looked in concept...

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...so glad I melted mine :)
Oh dear - I think I'd prefer a ship resembling bunnie crossbow man to something that resembles the Nemesis of the Star Wars franchise...
 
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Not that I have been paying much attention to who streams what in twitch, but I have just noticed a few reasonably large view number twitch streamers, at least for SC standards, in the last couple days, so I took a quick look. They all seem to have started streaming SC recently (days, weeks), and they all seem to play mostly Tarkov. Could be just a coincidence though.
Yep, people on SaltEMike's discord noticed the same: a bunch of Escape From Tarkov streamers all simultaneously started streaming SC instead.
 
The grey market is always a good indicator as to Star citizen's relevance to the backers, new and old...and if Ci¬G's marketing strategies are continuing to be effective or if folk are beginning to show a general disinterest through a load of selling but no buyers. As long as the grey market continues to be fairly healthy with that 25% - 40% mark down to keep the bulk buyers and resellers interested, Ci¬G will be quite happy.
That's an interesting observation and reflects somewhat the crypto market - they are both "liquidity sponges", which people will invest in when they feel they have spare cash to plow into something speculative. We have recently seen the crypto market tank, because central banks are now applying liquidity leeches to their economies, drawing out spare cash (or the perception of it at least). We should, if everything is being reported correctly, see the same thing with CIGs funding.
Anything other than that indicates capital getting allocated to CIG for other purposes, or the funding is not being reported correctly (unless of course someone wants to really "shine" and try to claim that CIG is as good as the bond/gold markets ;) ).
 
Not that I have been paying much attention to who streams what in twitch, but I have just noticed a few reasonably large view number twitch streamers, at least for SC standards, in the last couple days, so I took a quick look. They all seem to have started streaming SC recently (days, weeks), and they all seem to play mostly Tarkov. Could be just a coincidence though.
Yeah there's a few. And it's entertaining to watch, but the ones I've been watching are entertaining to watch playing Tarkov too, for their general silliness and making themselves laugh despite the game.

in some ways SC is perfect for that.
 
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IMHO it's more accurate to state that Alpha is a development Phase, rather than a measure of product state and a Phase where the product's components are being assembled to a certain quality criteria, before it can move into Beta.
I very much doubt any CIG advocate or CIG themselves, would want too much scrutiny in that direction however, as it then puts their pet project on a Full Development Lifecycle progress tracker and I'm not sure the results would be visually impressive, nor drive any more funding.
Worse than that of course would be to provoke questions like "What is the feature set required to be completed before the product enters Beta?", or "What are the quality criteria for those features that need to be met before the product enters Beta?" and of course the coup de grace "In the absence of answers to the previous questions, what can we call the current product or phase, development is currently in, as it is clearly not Alpha?". One might reasonably therefore conclude that Star Citizen is nothing more than a CryEngine Mod and a perpetual one at that, as there is no way for it to progress to Beta or Release.
I would say that I'm amazed that the Gaming press haven't started asking these very pertinant questions and coming to the same or other conclusions, but then I remember that there are very few actual journalists left in the world and they have been supplanted by paid activists instead.
 
Yeah something's off somewhere. All the other measures of sentiment haven't surged in the same way since 2020. Everything's... fine. Just not booming like the tracker.

So yeah, could be bonus investments getting bundled into the tracker. Or the sale upticks allowing for more purchases from a whale core / greater capture of new potential whales etc. Or a combo or something. Still feels like we're missing an element though yeah.
Makes perfect sense if it's money laundering....
 
When I google "server mesh technologies" I get nine (9) results all of them jobs for CIG network programmers.


That means that CIG ask for programmers to have a specific term on their CV that only means anything to CIG.

Think about that...

In fact when I Google Server mesh excluding the word Service (service mesh is actually something I know about but they are to do with orchestration and microservice communication, not what CIG are trying to do)


I find it's pretty much all references to Star Citizen (apart from the occasional web page about perforated server mesh doors). It's all Star Citizen backers various explanations.

Are there any "non-Star Citizen" related examples of this technology? When CIG put the term on their job adverts and expect new candidates to talk about "server mesh technology" that they have previously worked on, are they only expecting candidates that worked at CIG already?
 
When I google "server mesh technologies" I get nine (9) results all of them jobs for CIG network programmers.

"server mesh technologies" - Google Search
That means that CIG ask for programmers to have a specific term on their CV that only means anything to CIG.

Think about that...

Just the 13 positions open for network engineers at the mo then.

But yeah, is kinda weird to see them point to the Citcon SM presentation in half of the job specs.

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On a complete tangent though, what the hell is this fraud warning about?

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Is the race for guileless devs really this fraught? 😁
 
IMHO it's more accurate to state that Alpha is a development Phase, rather than a measure of product state and a Phase where the product's components are being assembled to a certain quality criteria, before it can move into Beta.
I very much doubt any CIG advocate or CIG themselves, would want too much scrutiny in that direction however, as it then puts their pet project on a Full Development Lifecycle progress tracker and I'm not sure the results would be visually impressive, nor drive any more funding.
Worse than that of course would be to provoke questions like "What is the feature set required to be completed before the product enters Beta?", or "What are the quality criteria for those features that need to be met before the product enters Beta?" and of course the coup de grace "In the absence of answers to the previous questions, what can we call the current product or phase, development is currently in, as it is clearly not Alpha?". One might reasonably therefore conclude that Star Citizen is nothing more than a CryEngine Mod and a perpetual one at that, as there is no way for it to progress to Beta or Release.
I would say that I'm amazed that the Gaming press haven't started asking these very pertinant questions and coming to the same or other conclusions, but then I remember that there are very few actual journalists left in the world and they have been supplanted by paid activists instead.
The dismissive use of "it's alpha" as an excuse for literally every shortcoming does come with an implication that there will be an end to the alpha, and that SC will be significantly different when it ends. But you're exactly right, no one is able to say specifically which features are required to be present before the alpha ends, not even Chris Roberts. There's no target for them to achieve, so how is it even an alpha? In reality it's a proof of concept tech demo that's still in some sort of pre-production blue sky development phase, while at the same time selling DLC as if it's a fully operational live service.

Either way CIG's arbitrary use of "alpha" is completely meaningless, like a lot of terminology they misuse or invent, and SC will never progress beyond this current mode of development. Why would it? The money is rolling in, which will end at the first sign of feature lock, and Roberts is getting to live out his game dev rock star / movie director crossover fantasy while lining his pockets and cleverly avoiding any accountability for his failures because he's made the goals so vague and open to interpretation.
 
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