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[Cunder]

No that's entirely very wrong. They at first did not want to fight the Thargoids and didn't pick up weapons. They made numberous communication attempts to the point that they knew and understood the Thargoid language. Yet the Thargoids did not want to/respond to any attempts at communication. The Thargoids chose to continue their hostilities instead of communicating. Therefor the Guardians had to pick up the weapons and defend themselfs. The Guardian AI had nothing to do with the Thargoids, but did it's actions because of Guardian Civil wars.

After reading the Lore again it's true what you say but again there is a purpose of the attack Guardians again entered territory not theirs. Based on that Thargoids saw Guardians as a threat. Thargoids are older then any race known in the galaxy. What is theirs is theirs they are a territorial species. They view their resources and technology as their upmost needed protection.

If you can't see that as a reason to attack then obviously your still missing the picture again. If the guardians didn't settle on those planets they would of been safe. Communication or not you to enter a terrority that is not your own. The Guardians knew what they were doing and neglected to take precautionary measure to prevent that. Either way the Guardians were a threat no matter the circumstances that lead to it. They invaded a land not theirs and they knew it. And the Guardian AI saw them as a threat and wipe them out.

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

After reading the Lore again it's true what you say but again their is a purpose of the attack Guardians again entered territory not theirs. Based on that Thargoids saw Guardians as a threat. Thargoids are older then any race known in the galaxy. What is theirs is theirs they are a territorial species. They view their resources and technology as their upmost needed protection.

If you can't see that as a reason to attack then obviously your still missing the picture again. If the guardians didn't settle on those planets they would of been safe. Communication or not you to enter a terrority that is not your own. The Guardians knew what they were doing and neglected to take precautionary measure to prevent that. Either way the Guardians were a threat no matter the circumstances that lead to it. They invaded a land not theirs and they knew it. And the Guardian AI saw them as a threat and wipe them out.

Again Guardian AI has nothing to do with anything Thargoid related. Yes, the Guardians were in Thargoid territory but how should they know? Can't go to a park bench, scratch your name into it and sit on it for an hour to then after 10 years come back and punch the old man sitting on it and shouting "that's my spot". I get what you're saying and yes if we just left Thargoids alone they wouldn't do much. I agree. But do keep in mind that the Guardians were a much more advanced race and were all over the galaxy.

The Thargoids planetd those seeds and disappeared, the Guardian civilazation erupted spread all over space thinking they were the only spacefaring race because they saw no other proof and then the Thargoids came back. The Guardians probably had tons of colonies on planets the Thargoids saw as theirs.

The most important thing to know is that Thargoids never did any attempt to communicate. The second they saw the Guardians they attacked immediatly, probably destroying tons of colonies. If the Thargoids did communicate the Guardians would have probably made a deal with them and both races would continue without any violence. The Thargoids drew first blood and the Guardians didn't even respond. They withdrawed and tried to communicate and understand Thargoids. When the Thargoids continued their attack then they decided enough is enough and forced the Thargoids away.

The Guardians did not know that Thargoids existed because there weren't any Thargoids in the galaxy during the first Guardian cavemen untill when they colonized the entire galaxy. Sure they probably saw the Thargoid Barnicles and thought "hey that's something alien" the same way we see Guardian sites but no Guardians and think they are extinct.

 

[Cunder]

Again Guardian AI has nothing to do with anything Thargoid related. Yes, the Guardians were in Thargoid territory but how should they know? Can't go to a park bench, scratch your name into it and sit on it for an hour to then after 10 years come back and punch the old man sitting on it and shouting "that's my spot". I get what you're saying and yes if we just left Thargoids alone they wouldn't do much. I agree. But do keep in mind that the Guardians were a much more advanced race and were all over the galaxy.

The Thargoids planetd those seeds and disappeared, the Guardian civilazation erupted spread all over space thinking they were the only spacefaring race because they saw no other proof and then the Thargoids came back. The Guardians probably had tons of colonies on planets the Thargoids saw as theirs.

The most important thing to know is that Thargoids never did any attempt to communicate. The second they saw the Guardians they attacked immediatly, probably destroying tons of colonies. If the Thargoids did communicate the Guardians would have probably made a deal with them and both races would continue without any violence. The Thargoids drew first blood and the Guardians didn't even respond. They withdrawed and tried to communicate and understand Thargoids. When the Thargoids continued their attack then they decided enough is enough and forced the Thargoids away.

The Guardians did not know that Thargoids existed because there weren't any Thargoids in the galaxy during the first Guardian cavemen untill when they colonized the entire galaxy. Sure they probably saw the Thargoid Barnicles and thought "hey that's something alien" the same way we see Guardian sites but no Guardians and think they are extinct.

We also know not to poke at a hornets nest either.

The Thargoids seeded a number of planets with barnacles in what eventually became Guardian space, millions of years ago. Thargoid barnacles are designed to extract resources from a planet and transform them into meta-alloys – an essential ingredient in the creation of Thargoid ships and technologies. The Guardians surmised that for the Thargoids, seeding a planet with barnacles is an important process in preparing an area for occupation.[8]

Several thousand years after they seeded planets in Guardian space with barnacles, the Thargoids returned. Of course, they discovered that the planets they had seeded were now occupied by the Guardians. The Thargoids immediately launched an assault, making no effort to communicate with the Guardians, which tallies with the Thargoids' behaviour in human space

Which I should mention is now it's then called Guardian space even though the Thargoids planted those barncles. Either way the Guardians knew what the barncles were for and they knew what a Thargoid was.

 

[Alec Turner]

Dear Fellow Commanders,

We must stop fighting the Thargoids and start attempting communications with them.

On it.

After initial greetings ..

.. I managed to encourage them to join me for a few selfies ..

.. and after a while they even seemed willing to engage in a spot of light falconry!

Source: https://youtu.be/2pJX52f85Xk

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

Which I should mention is now it's then called Guardian space even though the Thargoids planted those barncles. Either way the Guardians knew what the barncles were for and they knew what a Thargoid was.

Again, as I made very clear, they did not. As clearly stated in the wiki: Several thousand years after they seeded planets in Guardian space with barnacles, the Thargoids returned. Of course, they discovered that the planets they had seeded were now occupied by the Guardians. The Thargoids immediately launched an assault, making no effort to communicate with the Guardians, which tallies with the Thargoids' behaviour in human space.

Guardians did not know what a Thargoid was since they never saw one untill the Thargoids attacked them. Also the guardians homeworld was in a barnicle planted area.

 

[Cunder]

Okay lets see this in that perspective, if by chance the Thargoids had stopped attacking them after the Guardians retreated but tried to communicate with them to try to understand them.

"The Guardians responded with a partial retreat, but they also started trying to find ways to communicate with the Thargoids, hoping to determine the cause of their aggression and perhaps negotiate a truce. After considerable efforts they succeeded in acquiring sufficient understanding of the Thargoids' language to determine the invaders' agenda, but they were unable to convince the Thargoids they bore no ill will, and the Thargoids were unshakable in their belief that they must repel any race that posed a potential threat.

The Guardians were left with no choice but to defend themselves militarily. "

So instead of having the Guardians finding new places to colonize they decided to best effort was war. They wanted that planet and was willing to take it by force. But not give understandable position that they weren't wanted in the planet the Thargoids had already set up. Again resources and tech still involved with the problem.

They say they defended themselves yet they knew very well they were invaders.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Guardians treated thargoids as if they were a pestilence. it was their undoing ultimately(ai)
The only real questiom is will humanity make the same mistake.
Considering you're making yourselves a target by using guardian tech, have caused ???? to scream, tortured a thargoid while also stealing their stuff and blowing up their ships... i don't like your chances.
Your judgement awaits.

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

Guardians treated thargoids as if they were a pestilence. it was their undoing ultimately(ai)
The only real questiom is will humanity make the same mistake.
Considering you're making yourselves a target by using guardian tech, have caused ???? to scream, tortured a thargoid while also stealing their stuff and blowing up their ships... i don't like your chances.
Your judgement awaits.

The Thargoids kidnapped humans before we did. Who knows what they do with those humans. Try asking them nicely, they won't respond.

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

Okay lets see this in that perspective, if by chance the Thargoids had stopped attacking them after the Guardians retreated but tried to communicate with them to try to understand them.

"The Guardians responded with a partial retreat, but they also started trying to find ways to communicate with the Thargoids, hoping to determine the cause of their aggression and perhaps negotiate a truce. After considerable efforts they succeeded in acquiring sufficient understanding of the Thargoids' language to determine the invaders' agenda, but they were unable to convince the Thargoids they bore no ill will, and the Thargoids were unshakable in their belief that they must repel any race that posed a potential threat.

The Guardians were left with no choice but to defend themselves militarily. "

So instead of having the Guardians finding new places to colonize they decided to best effort was war. They wanted that planet and was willing to take it by force. But not give understandable position that they weren't wanted in the planet the Thargoids had already set up. Again resources and tech still involved with the problem.

They say they defended themselves yet they knew very well they were invaders.

You can't just move your homeworld. It's not that easy. What's easier to move? Your whole civilization or a few barnicles that could easily be moved? Barnicles are planted in certain planets that could be found all over the galaxy. Why didn't the Thargoids move?

 

[Cunder]

I mean Guardians were well verse in colonizing planets, they made it apparently so. They knew how it worked and what to do. They build nothing out of something. They would split into clans and then colonize another world. They had the means to travel, and could simple walk back to a safe planet they had already colonize and pick another spot. How is it that hard?

Thargoid had already stake the claim far before Guardians, again the Guardians new they were the invaders. Why leave a race next to technology that isn't theirs. Giving the opportunity to use it against them.

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

I mean Guardians were well verse in colonizing planets, they made it apparently so. They knew how it worked and what to do. They build nothing out of something. They would split into clans and then colonize another world. They had the means to travel, and could simple walk back to a safe planet they had already colonize and pick another spot. How is it that hard?

10 years ago I burried my stuffed bear under the ground. Now your house stands there on that ground. It's my ground and you should just move. It's not hard. I mean you can't sell your house because it's mine so you'll need to get all the money again to buy another house. Oh I know I can buy a new stuffed bear for 5$ but it's not that hard to buy another house for 300k. Maybe you can go live with your uncle?

 

[Cunder]

How does that imply to a race with a different perspective of the situation. It's none sense thinking. You act this a property dispute it's not it's a potential threat to a race using areas they claim to use their tech as needed when they need it. Military don't share military tech with each other but sure as hell some of them try take it. If you want a good analogy

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

How does that imply to a race with a different perspective of the situation. It's none sense thinking. You act this a property dispute it's not it's a potential threat to a race using areas they claim to use their tech as needed when they need it. Military don't share military tech with each other but sure as hell some of them try take it. If you want a good analogy

That reply doesn't really make sense.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

The Thargoids kidnapped humans before we did. Who knows what they do with those humans. Try asking them nicely, they won't respond.

Did they?
This is "the stones" thing, circa 3125 or something else i may have missed? Goids didn't attack adamastor(ship) until captive thargoid screamed which seems likely after current events.
As for why, maybe they're a resource, much like meta-alloys to humans. You may have more in common than you think.

 

[Cunder]

Okay Fed, Alliance, Imps that be have taken the property of another race and now is using it against them. Thargoid probes and all the tech. That is the result of what the Thargoids tried to prevent with the Guardians. A means defend themselves from a potential threat by limiting exposer from outside sources that had a means to do harm.

Humans are already a good example of the worse case scenario the Thargoids have to face for now.

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

Did they?
This is "the stones" thing, circa 3125 or something else i may have missed? Goids didn't attack adamastor(ship) until captive thargoid screamed which seems likely after current events.
As for why, maybe they're a resource, much like meta-alloys to humans. You may have more in common than you think.

So they see other life forms as resources according to you? That doesn't sound very good

 

[MrShinyTorterra]

Okay Fed, Alliance, Imps that be have taken the property of another race and now is using it against them. Thargoid probes and all the tech. That is the result of what the Thargoids tried to prevent with the Guardians. A means defend themselves from a potential threat by limiting exposer from outside sources that had a means to do harm.

Humans are already a good example of the worse case scenario the Thargoids have to face for now.

I think the Guardians were much more of a thread then we are.

 

[Cunder]

Sure to themselves and to others but they did it out of their own means with their own tech. Humans which can be self destructive the only difference is we play with things we don't fully understand and lack sense to avoid it. As we gamble our chances increasing the odds of Opening Pandora's Box.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

So they see other life forms as resources according to you? That doesn't sound very good

So they see other life forms as resources according to you? That doesn't sound very good

Does a human truly understand what a meta-alloy is to a thargoid?
For all a goid may understand of humanity, they are just useful... like any resource. It's probably further confused when humans present them with occupied escape pods, something a goid would never do.
You think in such human terms... it's why there is so little understanding between you species.

 

[Screemonster]

They say they defended themselves yet they knew very well they were invaders.

you mean like how humans showed up in hip 22460, a system with no previous human presence, with a fleet of warships and attempted to set off a genocide bomb

and now galnet's talking about how the thargoids "conquered" it, and in the latest article good ol' Patreus is going on about the thargoids now having "a stronghold in human-controlled space" despite that system not having any human presence, much less control, until a couple of months ago.