Make it so that H4 players see Nerf darts and water pistols instead of bullets and lasersUntil you go to an airless world where horizons players in an SRV can watch odyssey players shoot each other in the head.
Make it so that H4 players see Nerf darts and water pistols instead of bullets and lasersUntil you go to an airless world where horizons players in an SRV can watch odyssey players shoot each other in the head.
Unfortunately it is, for all intents and purposes, a weekend now, and that plays out in favour of the thread reaching 50 pages first.The easiest for FDev now is to add this hotdamn menu item to run Horizons 4.0 to Odyssey players. I would say it should happen before this thread reaches 50 pages if there is anyone clear thinking left at FDev.
Or maybe just no one at FDev realized why Odyssey owners might want to run Horizons 4.0.The only reason I can concieve of is that they haven't yet bothered to patch the launcher to offer more product slots.
So then it would be relatively simple to set up a minimal launcher to launch Horizons 4.0 if owning Odyssey. Or even use the task manager trick to start it up. Strange that we don't get this option by default in the launchers, but there maybe some unknown reasons for this.
More importantly, the launcher appears to pass some kind of server authentication token to the executable, and that probably precludes any solution that completely bypasses the launcher. (The command line copy trick involves copying the token from an instance of the executable already started via the launcher.)I would hesitate to suggest attempting it manually because the launcher retrieves a list of "authorized products" for the current login, and for Odyssey owners Horizons 4.0 isn't included (hence why it doesn't show up as a launch option).
And maybe a matching offer on the Frontier Store for the Odyssey DLC (45% discounted on steam)?
Yes! Please match the Steam discount on the Frontier Store - it will encourage folks that want to instance with Odyssey players to upgrade and end the silly arguments.
That's already been announced.Yes! Please match the Steam discount on the Frontier Store - it will encourage folks that want to instance with Odyssey players to upgrade and end the silly arguments.
Double yay! Sorry I missed that announcement. Upgrading my new commander now.It's already here, they matched the Steam discounts
I don't believe any mistake was made. Odyssey players who are enjoying Odyssey and want to play with friends should encourage their friends to upgrade. It's really cheap right now, and the fact that they can run 4.0 means Odyssey will run on their hardware (it's the same thing for goodness sake).I want to be wrong but I can't see how this was a mistake.
Ok, first of all, a correction (and update) for my setup:Would you mind trying a RES, and sharing your findings?
Ah right, this launcher. Looks like they reverse engineered the authentication process… interesting.I'm not familiar with the details, but there is apparently a third party minimal launcher that can also do this. IIRC, it's on github.
High settings i presume?Ok, first of all, a correction (and update) for my setup:
- Ryzen 9 5900X
- 32 GB of RAM
- Sapphire Toxic Radeon RX 6900 XT
Grabbed the Mamba and took a jaunt through a HazRes - from the looks of it, a rocky ring. Looking still good - nice graphic effects from the Cytos, but I need to get used to the percentage display for the shields. Got some reprojection artefacts on the left HUD when I tried to select my carrier (still doesn't work when you have filtered out carriers...), and flickering shadow edges on my ship when leaving the ring (IIRC already reported a long time ago).
I think I'll stick to H4.0.
No going to lengths needed, it is likely just a line or two not added to a configuration file. As for what reason FDev had to do (or rather, not do) that, it is anyone’s guess.They must have had to go extra lengths to give Horizons players H4.0 but specifically exclude anyone with Odyssey on their account, even though we can still access H3.8.
It is also a poor business decision to do stuff that is bound to generate bad reviews, as several people in this thread pointed out.It makes no sense to allow Odyssey players access to Horizons 4, since they already have it! It would be a very poor business decision to give Odyssey players the means to backtrack and instance with players who got this code base for free, because this would discourage any upgrades.
Doomed?With existing issues with Odyssey players not being able to play with friends who don't have Odyssey already, I was really hoping this would fix that, but it feels like FDev really are trying to tank Elite right now with these weird decisions. They must have had to go extra lengths to give Horizons players H4.0 but specifically exclude anyone with Odyssey on their account, even though we can still access H3.8. This wasn't a mistake, it was a concious decision.
This makes me worried for the future of Elite that even with the small management shakeup recently that nothing has really changed with the mindset of the Management at FDev. The Azumith saga showed that ground floor staff can come up with the content, but then management's petty decisions like this overshadow it when they should be rebuilding goodwill right now.
I want to be wrong but I can't see how this was a mistake.
That's because Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey are exactly the same client software.
No, doesn't work, the launcher is still aware your own Odyssey and gives that as an install option.Did you buy Odyssey through Steam? If so, you can temporarily disable the DLC in the game's properties. This should give you access to Horizons 4.0 in the launcher.
Maybe relogin after switching of DLC?No, doesn't work, the launcher is still aware your own Odyssey and gives that as an install option.
It's not going to work. The launcher checks what the associated frontier account owns and will show either Odyssey or Horizons 4.0. If Odyssey isn't installed it will still show "Odyssey" but with an install button instead of play.Maybe relogin after switching of DLC?
So it is a demo?4.0 Horizons has never been on sale. It has only been made available to non-Odyssey players as an optional upgrade to try the 4.0 engine.