This, totally this. I never see pheasants, peafowl, or any kind of fowl fly nor do I see them in aviaries
Winter DLC Speculation
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I must admit, I would be very unhappy about a bird-only DLC. I'm sure, all the bird enthusiasts would love it, but... let's be fair, not everyone is desperate to get aviaries. It's surely fine to get them at some point, but releasing a bird-only pack would make alot of people not buying it.
So, if birds are introduced in the winter pack, I hope it will contain other animals as well.
So, if birds are introduced in the winter pack, I hope it will contain other animals as well.
I'd say it all depends on the planned support.
If they don't plan to do many packs after December, but plan to do birds, then it's better for us to get one big aviary DLC, to cover for all the years we missed it.
But if they don't plan stopping any time soon, then I'm big fan of partial incorporation method. Where we would get a few theme appropriate birds in every pack accompanying regular habitat animals.
Honestly, same. I'd go with, like a normal animal pack but have 3 exhibit animals and 5 regular habitat animals.
Like, here's a pack I'd do:
- Tasmanian devil
- Kiwi
- Fossa
- Shoebill
- Wild boar
- Indian flying fox (WE)
- Toco toucan (WE)
- Scarlet macaw (WE)
There's no theme really, it's just the format I'd go with
Seems like an island pack with some added extras, not sure about the flying fox though considering we just got fruit bats
Some considerations.
I will repeat it another 100,000 times, even if I would like to be proved wrong, a DLC with only birds I think will be impossible, a DLC with more than 8 animals will be impossible.
I don't see why the fact that bats have been included in the exhibit will mean that birds will only be able to fly in the exhibits and have mechanics related to it. We do not yet know how the bats will move in the exhibition, whether in a "complex" way like habitat animals or with a loop of simple fixed animations.
Everything can be included in the game as far as flight dynamics are concerned, both in open spaces (large aviaries) and in the exhibits. Everything can be inserted at a structural level to accommodate birds, both small and large exhibitions, both small and large aviaries and the related structural accessories. All behaviors can be inserted, such as leaving an egg and hatching it for example, even to birds already present in the game. All this could also be included on day one of the game (as well as brachiation), it is the developers who have chosen to insert it later, but not because this possibility arose suddenly after as if by magic.
I really can't understand certain talk about fear or the possibility of not including this or that in the game...they can do everything, it's just a matter of will, interest and economic return.
I will repeat it another 100,000 times, even if I would like to be proved wrong, a DLC with only birds I think will be impossible, a DLC with more than 8 animals will be impossible.
I don't see why the fact that bats have been included in the exhibit will mean that birds will only be able to fly in the exhibits and have mechanics related to it. We do not yet know how the bats will move in the exhibition, whether in a "complex" way like habitat animals or with a loop of simple fixed animations.
Everything can be included in the game as far as flight dynamics are concerned, both in open spaces (large aviaries) and in the exhibits. Everything can be inserted at a structural level to accommodate birds, both small and large exhibitions, both small and large aviaries and the related structural accessories. All behaviors can be inserted, such as leaving an egg and hatching it for example, even to birds already present in the game. All this could also be included on day one of the game (as well as brachiation), it is the developers who have chosen to insert it later, but not because this possibility arose suddenly after as if by magic.
I really can't understand certain talk about fear or the possibility of not including this or that in the game...they can do everything, it's just a matter of will, interest and economic return.
Why I think this means a bird pack next:
So far the exhibit system seems to have been limited to amphibians, reptiles and invertebrates. With flying mammals now in exhibits, I imagine flying birds is to expect to show up in them too.
This is an important step, if they want to do an dedicated bird pack without breaking their habit since SA of always including an exhibit animal.
I don't think they are going to do an exhibit animal only pack. They might just keep to 4+1 or 7+1 or maybe do a new combination. I'm more likely to think it still will be a bigger amount of habitat species than exhibits, maybe half/half, but that is just me guessing.
Habitat birds is already a thing since they one of the game, and it is not hard to come up with 7 good choices that doesn't need flight, where some will be easy to make and others more unique to what we got.
I imagine birds like a pelican and secretary bird, maybe Kiwi are going to be the popular choices. That might even convince the mammal mob that a dedicated bird pack is nothing bad.
And why will it happen now?
A bird pack will probably be a bit more work than most DLCs we have seen in a while. But with two animal packs in a row, with fairly easy to do species (besides from the Siamang), I imagine the animal team should be able to deal with it.
With both one bird (so far) added this year, and only one last year, the lack of birds can't be ignored anymore, only a dedicated bird pack could get us back on track. And when we now have seen yet another mammal, in a system that feels more like it was made for birds they need to take action, if they don't want to end up with a lot of unsatisfied customers soon.
I got even more arguments, but this post is getting long now
So far the exhibit system seems to have been limited to amphibians, reptiles and invertebrates. With flying mammals now in exhibits, I imagine flying birds is to expect to show up in them too.
This is an important step, if they want to do an dedicated bird pack without breaking their habit since SA of always including an exhibit animal.
I don't think they are going to do an exhibit animal only pack. They might just keep to 4+1 or 7+1 or maybe do a new combination. I'm more likely to think it still will be a bigger amount of habitat species than exhibits, maybe half/half, but that is just me guessing.
Habitat birds is already a thing since they one of the game, and it is not hard to come up with 7 good choices that doesn't need flight, where some will be easy to make and others more unique to what we got.
I imagine birds like a pelican and secretary bird, maybe Kiwi are going to be the popular choices. That might even convince the mammal mob that a dedicated bird pack is nothing bad.
And why will it happen now?
A bird pack will probably be a bit more work than most DLCs we have seen in a while. But with two animal packs in a row, with fairly easy to do species (besides from the Siamang), I imagine the animal team should be able to deal with it.
With both one bird (so far) added this year, and only one last year, the lack of birds can't be ignored anymore, only a dedicated bird pack could get us back on track. And when we now have seen yet another mammal, in a system that feels more like it was made for birds they need to take action, if they don't want to end up with a lot of unsatisfied customers soon.
I got even more arguments, but this post is getting long now
It's not assumed, that's actually the question I was asking. What will happen with large birds (either already in the game like flamingo or crane or new large birds like eagles or vultures). I definitely don't want large birds like eagles, owls or vultures in open habitats. And there are zoos with flamingos in aviaries, so there are the two options. The best would be to have a toggle for flying for these large birds that sometimes are kept in open habitats.
only birds wont appeal to a lot of people (myself included) they would have to some sort of mix like a land and sky animal pack
The only birds in the numerous zoos I have visited that were not enclosed in small exhibits or aviaries are the peacock (always free to roam around the zoo), ducks, swans and the flamingo.
A mixed species I think could be well received
- Africa expansion with shoebill/hornbill/secretary bird
- Oceania pack with kookaburra/kiwi/emu
- South America with toucan/parrots
- North America with bald eagle/sandhill crane/roseate spoonbill
- Europe with golden eagle/cinereous vulture/ great white pelican
I agree with much of what has just been said by SalamAnders.
I think a bird pack would be fair, as aviaries would be as ground-breaking as diving and are a very common aspect of zoos (which is also why we should never get an aviary-only game). I get the criticism that not everyone wants birds, but this honestly goes for every DLC we have gotten so far. I personally didn't care about the European species or the ones from the new pack (besides the bats) and I'm also unlikely to use much from the Australia, Arctic and North American DLCs. Sales-wise I think a bird DLC will do much better as it is something very novel compared to what we got so far.
I don't see a system where we get birds only for exhibits, as they've consistently treated exhibits as below habitats even now with the new type. Hence, if we get an aviaries DLC, I'm strongly convinced it will have free flying in some way.
I don't see any reason why flying would also be applied to the extant birds in the game. Sure it could be an option for the peafowl, but all species so far are commonly kept outside of aviaries and the fact that they are birds doesn't automatically mean they'll get flying behaviour (honestly if they did that'd be ridiculous unless it's an option that can be switched off).
I think a bird pack would be fair, as aviaries would be as ground-breaking as diving and are a very common aspect of zoos (which is also why we should never get an aviary-only game). I get the criticism that not everyone wants birds, but this honestly goes for every DLC we have gotten so far. I personally didn't care about the European species or the ones from the new pack (besides the bats) and I'm also unlikely to use much from the Australia, Arctic and North American DLCs. Sales-wise I think a bird DLC will do much better as it is something very novel compared to what we got so far.
I don't see a system where we get birds only for exhibits, as they've consistently treated exhibits as below habitats even now with the new type. Hence, if we get an aviaries DLC, I'm strongly convinced it will have free flying in some way.
I don't see any reason why flying would also be applied to the extant birds in the game. Sure it could be an option for the peafowl, but all species so far are commonly kept outside of aviaries and the fact that they are birds doesn't automatically mean they'll get flying behaviour (honestly if they did that'd be ridiculous unless it's an option that can be switched off).
I'm sure it will appeal to enough.
The twilight roster is also not that appealing to a lot of people, same can be said with most packs I believe. But there will be customers enough in the end.
So far people not into mammals or just carnivores has been unsatisfied many times.
Oh, I didnt know rooster's came in the twilight pack
Never been to a zoo with ostrich, Rhea or emu? What about helmeted guinea fowl maybe?
Last summer I was in Copenhagen zoo where flamingos are in a walk through aviary.
Helsinki zoo has a large aviary for bearded vultures and a second large aviary for Seller's sea eagles mixed with ravens.
Terra Natura in Spain has a huge South American aviary with plenty of different species.
Maybe it's something more common in Europe.
For my zoo bird experiences
Scotland:
- Caged mid size aviaries for crane, pelican, African birds
- Only free flight birds seen are local geese and ducks
- Open flamingo and crane habitats
- Caged birds of prey usually on the small side
- Walkthrough free flight avaries
- Exhibit parrots that are shown in bird shows
Most zoos I know have at least large aviaries (often walkthrough avaries) for coastal/wading birds or other larger birds (vultures or different ibis species for example....) or mixed walkthrough habitats together with other mammals). One of my local zoos even has a walkthrough aviary with Budgerigar inside.
We also have this smaller bird-park, which has quite a lot of different birds (ostrich, rhea, cassowary, marabou stork, flamingo, andean condor, saddle billed stork, etc....just to name a few). But I can only speak for Europe (no idea how it's somewhere else).....
I understand. I tackled the topic generally, not strictly replying to you, as I saw it repeated on few different places and even before.
Your post just reminded me of it, but I completely understand your position.
Precisely. Except for the flamingos, we have seen the same things.