11G Landable Planet

GrandAdmiralThrawn · Dec 9, 2019

That's why I would recommend to go up at least 20km before releasing the stick or toggle. And my vertical thrusters are analog, but I still don't dare to land using them. Because you'd need to stay very concentrated for the whole landing procedure, no? Just one slip of that finger and you're dead, especially when close to the surface?

Or maybe I just don't trust my input device - a Logitech X56 HOTAS. I use one of the ministicks for vertical and lateral thrust. They aren't overly precise and trustworthy I'd say.

Maybe I'll try to fool around a little with them when I get the chance.

Edit: Uhm, Klepto, the silence is a bit worrying. You didn't die on us down there, now did you?

Assimilator1 · May 22, 2020

Klepto said:
Great instruction, thanks. I'm already close to this 11g planet.

Get pancaked??

varonica · May 22, 2020

GrandAdmiralThrawn said:
That's why I would recommend to go up at least 20km before releasing the stick or toggle. And my vertical thrusters are analog, but I still don't dare to land using them. Because you'd need to stay very concentrated for the whole landing procedure, no? Just one slip of that finger and you're dead, especially when close to the surface?

Or maybe I just don't trust my input device - a Logitech X56 HOTAS. I use one of the ministicks for vertical and lateral thrust. They aren't overly precise and trustworthy I'd say.

Maybe I'll try to fool around a little with them when I get the chance.

Edit: Uhm, Klepto, the silence is a bit worrying. You didn't die on us down there, now did you?

One of the recommended ways of landing on a very high G planets is to not use vertical thrusters at all, I agree they can be a bit....insensitive at time using analog controls. What you do is level off stationary at about 20klms height then gently tilt forward, you have much better fine control and gently tilting forward results in the vertical thrusters being overloaded and so you will slowly sink towards the ground, you have much better control that way.

Susanna · May 22, 2020

FalconFly said:
Haha, very nice find !

Getting down there is probably a bit like this

Source: https://youtu.be/hBd3FMBsY7Q?t=309

Loved the video clip... Hilarious

Susanna · May 22, 2020

varonica said:
One of the recommended ways of landing on a very high G planets is to not use vertical thrusters at all, I agree they can be a bit....insensitive at time using analog controls. What you do is level off stationary at about 20klms height then gently tilt forward, you have much better fine control and gently tilting forward results in the vertical thrusters being overloaded and so you will slowly sink towards the ground, you have much better control that way.

Nice idea

Why that high?

Klepto · May 22, 2020

No, I did not turn into a pancake. Everything went well. But now my cmdr is not able to get out of his chair ... Is this normal?

varonica · May 22, 2020

Susanna said:
Nice idea Why that high?

Because if you are descending with any sort of speed on a 11g world it can take 20kls of dropping before you actually stop, so if you start slowing your drop at 20klms up there's a good chance you will hit the ground before you stop descending.

Assimilator1 · May 28, 2020

kls? Think you mean kms not kLs

Klepto
Ah did no one tell you that all you can do is land & take off? I hope you don't need the toilet, as you won't be able to get there!

Actually, if you did need it I think you would've lost that battle on the way down! lol

HAMM3R · May 28, 2020

Was out exploring, realized I'm in the general vicinity of this planet and decided to go take a look. Landing went fine, but upon taking off and attempting to jump out the planet decided that I won't be going anywhere and I fell out of the sky like a rock. And now I'm back at Colonia

Here's the landing. No video material exist of the fateful plummet, unfortunately. I know it would've been much more entertaining.

varonica · May 29, 2020

HAMM3R said:
Was out exploring, realized I'm in the general vicinity of this planet and decided to go take a look. Landing went fine, but upon taking off and attempting to jump out the planet decided that I won't be going anywhere and I fell out of the sky like a rock. And now I'm back at Colonia

Here's the landing. No video material exist of the fateful plummet, unfortunately. I know it would've been much more entertaining.

Ah yes, did we forget to mention taking off? Much care needed, climb very high on belly thrusters before even attempting any forward thrust, you need to build up a decent forward speed before angling nose upward or you will just reverse into the ground, good luck next time, it can be done is all I can say.

HAMM3R · May 29, 2020

varonica said:
Ah yes, did we forget to mention taking off? Much care needed, climb very high on belly thrusters before even attempting any forward thrust, you need to build up a decent forward speed before angling nose upward or you will just reverse into the ground, good luck next time, it can be done is all I can say.

I went up to about 8km with the belly thrusters. Had a fleeing thought about going all the way up but figured I should be fine where I was. Guess I wasn't

I also tried to pick a destination system close to the horizon, so I wouldn't have to point my nose up but apparently it was still too high in the sky.

Luckily I didn't lose all that much. Long stretches of planetless or otherwise insignificant systems on my way there. Just couple of systems I want to go scan again and those are bookmarked.

varonica · May 29, 2020

HAMM3R said:
I went up to about 8km with the belly thrusters. Had a fleeing thought about going all the way up but figured I should be fine where I was. Guess I wasn't I also tried to pick a destination system close to the horizon, so I wouldn't have to point my nose up but apparently it was still too high in the sky.

Luckily I didn't lose all that much. Long stretches of planetless or otherwise insignificant systems on my way there. Just couple of systems I want to go scan again and those are bookmarked.

I would suggest 20kms and low wake not high wake, high wake takes longer and gives the ground more chance to come up and hit you. Get to 20kms, boost horizontally until you have some decent speed, initiate low wake and start turning the nose up as the countdown gets close, or even wait until it says to point at target then gradually turn up, that way you will enter SC as soon as you get the nose up.

duckofdeath · May 30, 2020

High wake to a neighbouring system on the horizon is the safest way out, I think, when your ship has weak engines. I did once post a video on the youtube landing on the 9.9G planet with an E-rated T9 and getting off with only a little heat damage from the FSD charge. E rated T9s gets hot pretty fast

I've unfortunately taken it down a long time ago.
Anyways, I always use analogue vertical thrusters with landing gears deployed. It allows you to land exactly where you want and takeoffs are a lot less nervy as the vertical thrust-drop doesn't happen with analogue thrusters.
On a side note; unacceptable that someone found a bigger planet than "The Mighty" when my CMDR was in a three year cryo sleep!

A belated congratulations to CMDR Hasslethehoff! o7

Assimilator1 · Jun 4, 2020

Assuming you were in a ship that could boost a 'decent' amount (e.g a moderately upgraded Krait), wouldn't that be enough to stop you dropping like a stone on taking off?

varonica · Jun 4, 2020

Assimilator1 said:
Assuming you were in a ship that could boost a 'decent' amount (e.g a moderately upgraded Krait), wouldn't that be enough to stop you dropping like a stone on taking off?

Not necessarily, it's tricky, as you angle the nose up the effectiveness of the vertical thrusters drops dramatically, if you don't already have a decent forward speed the tail will drop rapidly until your rear thrusters come up to full power, if you are to close to the surface it's quite easy to drop backwards into the ground before your rear thrusters have developed enough thrust to counter gravity, and if you have installed lower grade thrusters to save weight you have even more of a problem, they may not be able to lift you against gravity at all. Only your vertical thrusters are magic and able to counter any level of gravity.

Assimilator1 · Jun 5, 2020

Yea ok, although I wasn't really thinking of a typical explorer build in my question.

varonica · Jun 5, 2020

Assimilator1 said:
Yea ok, although I wasn't really thinking of a typical explorer build in my question.

My explorers always have the highest A rated thrusters, my phantom still gets 65ly jump, I personally think cutting down stuff like thrusters and PD is not a good idea, it limits you in some cases, although I do have a ridiculously small shield generator. It should be able to land and take off fine on an 11g, I must try it some day, most times the stuff I find out in the black is usually up to a max of between 5g and 6g and I've landed and taken off from plenty of those over the years. But equipping an explorer is a personal thing, I never carry weapons for instance but because of my high rated boosters I can outrun most NPC and player attackers, and that's the way I like it.

GrandAdmiralThrawn · Jun 5, 2020

I picked my PD in such a way that I can just barely do a single boost. I also fly A-grade thrusters though (unsure if I actually should). Plus, I fly naked, no shields. Makes landings more exciting, especially when you've been in the black for months without selling your data.

I fly solo however...

But thanks for letting me know about the vertical thruster magic @varonica. I had thought the magic would apply to all thusters. A potentially dangerous misconception.

777Driver · Jun 5, 2020

duckofdeath said:
High wake to a neighbouring system on the horizon is the safest way out, I think, when your ship has weak engines. I did once post a video on the youtube landing on the 9.9G planet with an E-rated T9 and getting off with only a little heat damage from the FSD charge. E rated T9s gets hot pretty fast I've unfortunately taken it down a long time ago.
Anyways, I always use analogue vertical thrusters with landing gears deployed. It allows you to land exactly where you want and takeoffs are a lot less nervy as the vertical thrust-drop doesn't happen with analogue thrusters.
On a side note; unacceptable that someone found a bigger planet than "The Mighty" when my CMDR was in a three year cryo sleep! A belated congratulations to CMDR Hasslethehoff! o7

analogue vertical thrusters is definitely the way to go. The ship floats on the ventral thrusters, all you need to do is balance the thrust with the gravity.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TquAYTjEuSQ&list=UUXm79fS4PrZYTT_SxqSI7zQ&index=54

GrandAdmiralThrawn · Jun 5, 2020

There's one thing I don't understand with that though: Wouldn't you need to keep the vertical thrust in check all the way down? Like permanently making sure you're holding that stick in the exact right position, as one slip of your finger could mean certain death (I'm using analog ministicks)? I think I couldn't manage all the way down, as a 9g+ landing takes some time.

Or do you guys use a different input method, like a slider that stays in place once set?

Plus, that would mean flying with FA off all the way down.. sounds crazy to me.