2.2 is a Disappontment for PYTHON Commanders
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Actually, the reasoning behind this, is it doesn't have the required launch hatch underneath the ship. This isn't a design flaw, it was intentional.
As a Python pilot, I disagree with most but agree on one thing:
I don't want passengers in my Python, my Python doesn't do sightseeing.
I don't want my cabin filled with the bad breath of passengers.
I don't want the grubby passengers to mess up the interior of my ship.
I don't want to get pirated for all that delicious airline food.
I don't want passengers iPhones interfering with my navigational equipment.
I don't want to. They can catch a Taxi instead. One of those Haulers with a yellow paint Job, with a good jump range. Not in a Python.
If I DID transport someone, chances are my style of piloting would cause them to vomit. Now who wants to clean that up? Or pay to have it cleaned?
Somewhat disappointed with this, I WANTED the ability to fit a fighter bay, just so I could send out the hired crew member to help out with the Pew-Pew.
I am led to believe the Python is too small to hold a fighter bay... Yeah, sure thing, I'll roll with that for now. I wasn't going to trust a hired crew member with my Python anyway.
(While taking out a SLF for a spin.) I can live with this for now.
Now this! this actually DOES grind my gears. Either throw out the second seat and center my pilots seat, or pop a hired crew member in the second seat and make him useful.
I don't want passengers in my Python, my Python doesn't do sightseeing.
I don't want my cabin filled with the bad breath of passengers.
I don't want the grubby passengers to mess up the interior of my ship.
I don't want to get pirated for all that delicious airline food.
I don't want passengers iPhones interfering with my navigational equipment.
I don't want to. They can catch a Taxi instead. One of those Haulers with a yellow paint Job, with a good jump range. Not in a Python.
If I DID transport someone, chances are my style of piloting would cause them to vomit. Now who wants to clean that up? Or pay to have it cleaned?
Somewhat disappointed with this, I WANTED the ability to fit a fighter bay, just so I could send out the hired crew member to help out with the Pew-Pew.
I am led to believe the Python is too small to hold a fighter bay... Yeah, sure thing, I'll roll with that for now. I wasn't going to trust a hired crew member with my Python anyway.
(While taking out a SLF for a spin.) I can live with this for now.
Now this! this actually DOES grind my gears. Either throw out the second seat and center my pilots seat, or pop a hired crew member in the second seat and make him useful.
Where they can or can't land is irrelevant to the internal size dimensions. If the Keelback, which is smaller, can carry a fighter bay, then the logic for why a Python is incapable of doing so, escapes me. After all, it can carry more cargo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=t2uaRHFmBT4
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did
3 passenger mission yesterday...
I could hire a crew (didn't do).
Guess your download is corrupted
Not that argument again....
From a beta discussion:
Same thing applies to the Python.
How can I put this... before 2.2 I was about to drop a very real £500 on a new graphics card for my gaming rig so I can enjoy E: D better. Between the lower perf of 2.2 and several major problems with game mechanics (i.e. running around doing missions for 15k cr when the ship re-buy is 8 M cr) then yes, people are going to get upset!
I still don't understand why people think Sothis was some kind of hack - everyone had access to it, everyone knew about it, so it wasn't "unbalanced".
What is completely unbalanced, is how you can no longer fly a ship of any value, because it would take so long to just make the credits for the re-buy that the whole thing becomes pointless.
Example: I had a combat fitted Anaconda, re-buy 15 M cr. I'm in a res for an hour and kill 12 ships. I get 150k.
I go to a high res - I take on one ship - an Anaconda - and kill him. 100k. BUT!!! It did 390k damage to my ship!
So now, I spent over 2 hours to make sod-all in the way of credits, and then end up making a loss.
The regular missions are currently borked - in "fixing" Sothis, they totally broke mission rewards, so you spend HOURS making 50k.
If this is "balanced", people have a very screw-up idea of what "balanced" really means. It's supposed to be fun. Before 2.2, it was. Now? Now it is broken.
Because it's not exactly agile and now mines are apparently useless. The former might change if you tangle with engineers, but I don't know anybody who wants the grind associated with that.
As for that quote, Tikigod, the contradiction in regards to the Federal ships points out how ridiculous this is.
remember, the fighter bays are modular. They don't require spcific types of ships (and if they did, the Python is just as multi-role as anything else). Any ship can pretty much serve in any role, some are just more agile or faster than others, that's all (even hull and shield strength can be modified). The only value which should come into play is internal storage, nothing else - the thing is simply carrying a flight-capable vehicle. No different, in principle, to SRV carriage.It's basically Frontier deciding the Python would magically become too powerful or whatever. Not allowing the Python to use a fighter bay makes no more logical sense than drones getting 'consumed' when they return back to you. I'll hand-wave it for that reason, but I'm not going to pretend it would stand up to scrutiny.
Does no one know about the millions to be made at obsidian orbital?
Sounds like confusion over the luxury module, leading to an assumptions around outfitting.
Lux cabin is Beluga, Orca only, every other module (first, business, economy) can be fitted to any ship that can support at least a class 3 module.
Also fighters are only available for certain ships due to basic logic constraints around the hangar and fighter size; hence the class 5, class 6 module size. This pretty much means only certain ships may carry one (or two).
Lux cabin is Beluga, Orca only, every other module (first, business, economy) can be fitted to any ship that can support at least a class 3 module.
Also fighters are only available for certain ships due to basic logic constraints around the hangar and fighter size; hence the class 5, class 6 module size. This pretty much means only certain ships may carry one (or two).
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You all do know that all the ships said, in their description, if they could launch fighters, since the game came out... right?
Why are people complaining now? Did you not read? Did you think it might magically change because you really wanted it to?
So sick of the modern gamer and their sense of entitlement. The game maker doesn't want the python to have fighters. Deal with it. Go buy a better ship. I used to love my python, but now I love my cutter, my corvette and my beluga.
Just move on. They're not going to change their vision for their game because you cried on the forums.
Why are people complaining now? Did you not read? Did you think it might magically change because you really wanted it to?
So sick of the modern gamer and their sense of entitlement. The game maker doesn't want the python to have fighters. Deal with it. Go buy a better ship. I used to love my python, but now I love my cutter, my corvette and my beluga.
Just move on. They're not going to change their vision for their game because you cried on the forums.
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I think the criteria for a ship getting a fighter bay should be that it has poor maneuverability and it also has a class 5 module slot, and the Python ticks both of those boxes.
Python just got even more unattractive I'll agree, shame because it's a beautifully designed ship. I'd love to be using one in endgame, and you'd think that something that costs 60 or so million with stock parts would be a bit more viable.
I know the Python is a multi-role ship also, and I'm not really sure if this is a good argument against it getting a fighter bay (since the Conda has one) I certainly think the Python would simply become more usable for those who are in love with the ship. It definitely wouldn't overpower it.
Python just got even more unattractive I'll agree, shame because it's a beautifully designed ship. I'd love to be using one in endgame, and you'd think that something that costs 60 or so million with stock parts would be a bit more viable.
I know the Python is a multi-role ship also, and I'm not really sure if this is a good argument against it getting a fighter bay (since the Conda has one) I certainly think the Python would simply become more usable for those who are in love with the ship. It definitely wouldn't overpower it.
Looks like your biggest issue are mission payouts. Sometimes it takes a few days after a major update until things settle down. I suggest to play for one week and gather feedback. If the issue still persists make a poll
Maneuverability can't be the only criteria. The Python has serious fire power, and very good hard points. Not to forget the whopping big c7 Distributor. If you carried your argument just a step further the FDS, and Clipper should be on your list. I have a mission runner Python. It is tough as nails for this work. It doesn't have to be a down right fighter as well. Some ships were created with the SLF's in consideration. To me adding the ability to a ship not planned for them, should incur a cost to balance things out.
The Python is unattractive? It's one of the best ships in the game.
I think the issue with SLF is that the Python isn't tall enough.
The Pythons firepower doesn't really mean much since it has a lot of problems getting anything in front of its guns. And I knew the multi-role argument would come up, but dont forget that the Python IS a naval ship and its a pretty terrible fighter, so it should perform a little better than it does. If you compare it to other multirole ships, the Python is probably the worst performing in terms of combat. (pound for pound)
IMO FDS doesn't qualify, because while it has poor "on paper" maneuverability, it's actually very easy to use in combat because of the built in drift. The thing basically uses automatic FAOFF and it's pretty fun to use in combat, not frustrating like the Python.
Clipper is also just too maneuverable. The only time you'll ever see that things broadside is if you're not in combat with it.
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Well, no, the Keelback can fit a fighter bay so one could probably be fit in to the Python as well, it was just never designed for it.
Multicrew is part of the next update, presumably that will include NPC crews.
To be completely fair, descriptions also said the Anaconda could launch a Sidewinder and that the Corvette could launch two fighters, descriptions and indicated capabilities are clearly open for change.
If there's any ship that deserves having fighter bay capability added I'd say it's the Type 7, Python is fine without (though I certainly wouldn't mind a small manoeuvrability boost).