2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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When I first knew about ED, one month prior to the official launch, I was happy to find lots of info about the sci(fi)ence behind most of the concepts-mechanics of this universe. I was eager to dive into a world that made some kind of sense. Witchspace is explained in the lore as being conquered after some hidden contact with thargoid tech, for example
Now instamagic comes to break all the previously established rules and opens the door to unexplainable questions like: why does trade exist at all
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i like the idea although there should be to options. instant should be a high cost. cheaper would be it flies to your destination at some reducedvtime based on distance. that way us cmdr that are low on cash can get ships to where we are but with delay of time.
I don't understand this
I am as against instant transfers as much as the other 76.31%, but let's be real about throwing around the word magic in terms of the fiction/lore. Just because the ship transfers instantly in game doesn't mean the ship was teleported any more than you teleport when your ship blows up.
The problem is how it affects gameplay, not lore.
Introducing instar-ship to elite irrespective of the consequences to the core game balance because you might miss a fight somewhere, is like shooting your dog because it has an iron deficiency.
But lets entertain that idea you could make small ships cheap to move but large Freighters and battle-wagons prohibitively expensive that might keep a lid on the exploiting.
The second reason for allowing is fleet management and organization well having a real time system would not be a problem if that is what your really doing.
I think a lot of players are just seeing the exploit value therefore going against these commonsense solutions for there own selfish and misguided reasons. If you truly do want this for the genuine reasons stated above you would not have a problem with these solutions.
But lets entertain that idea you could make small ships cheap to move but large Freighters and battle-wagons prohibitively expensive that might keep a lid on the exploiting.
The second reason for allowing is fleet management and organization well having a real time system would not be a problem if that is what your really doing.
I think a lot of players are just seeing the exploit value therefore going against these commonsense solutions for there own selfish and misguided reasons. If you truly do want this for the genuine reasons stated above you would not have a problem with these solutions.
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Hmm.. did you follow the Docking Computer discussions?
And the issues with the docking computer and certain ships?
From the outside it might appear trivial. Yet noone did the homework I gave them and rewrote the C++ sourcecode of pong to play top-bottom instead of left-right. That is really *trivial*. No database calls, standard calls for C++ functions, just tiny hand full of variables (here's the link: http://www.cppgameprogramming.com/cgi/nav.cgi?page=pong ... think of ED's variable's alone most likely being the size of a mid-sized town's phonebook when printed)
Actually given the nature of travel and the Elite galaxy (well the populated bit of it anyway) that question is already absurd. Trade in ED is equivalent to me buying a van, driving 2 mins to the local corner shop buying a few crates of coke, driving round the corner to the local supermarket and trying to flog it to them. It just wouldn't happen because the distance between those two places is tiny, just as with ED tech the distance between two space stations even in different star systems is tiny. Of course there would be distribution but it wouldn't be handled by random passing drivers in their own vans.
Anyway its all somewhat besides the point, I just find it incredible that folks think that this one feature is suddenly going to make ED unbelievable.
In my observation FDev are planning to make ship transfer instant but prohibitively expensive. Instead, I think they should make it take some time, and more affordable. Under this system I believe it will be less open to abuse/won't break "immersion," but more players will actually utilize it. No sense in adding a feature and then trying to make it difficult for players to use. Lower cost, increase wait time, and we are golden.
I'm normally all for QOL improvements and, in many cases, putting gameplay over realism, but instant ship transfer crosses the line for me.
I'm normally all for QOL improvements and, in many cases, putting gameplay over realism, but instant ship transfer crosses the line for me.
OK for those that want a set "delay" (or delay based on distance!) in ship transfer. a quick question...
Do you want the same "delay" to happen when you are blown up and you getting past the rebuy screen to the last station you visited in your ship? (or default station)
Because I don't see where you can hate the idea of transporting your ship instantly when it happens, in-game, to the pilots all the time!
Do you want the same "delay" to happen when you are blown up and you getting past the rebuy screen to the last station you visited in your ship? (or default station)
Because I don't see where you can hate the idea of transporting your ship instantly when it happens, in-game, to the pilots all the time!
I can explain it to you if you feel it's important for you to understand.
Sorry if I'm hard to follow.. it's "logic" .. not everyone's friend.
Here's another picture of the galaxy (not the "universe") .. spot the difference. 5 bonus points if you rewrite the C++ code at the same time.
I'm afraid if you didn't understand my reply your the one slow on the uptake, try reading it slower next time.
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.../sigh, this has been explained many times, you can continue to do whatever the hell you like in your current ship while waiting for your requested ship transfer. There is zero game play to be had when hyperspacing to a station in your escape pod. Also, you seem to be ignoring the effect instant transfer has on CG's, Jaques, gold rush mechanics, feasts, famines, etc etc as well as the rich history and lore of Elite.
FD's justification is so poor, since almost every cmdr, but for the guys just starting, could just buy an A rated eagle anytime.
The second paragraph made me think that, given the direction ED is about to take, I'd rather play Stellaris, really
But will it then achieve the goal the designers are hoping to achieve. Which is presumably about lowering the barrier to gameplay. Make the feature too expensive or time consuming and it stops being a feature which gives you easy access to the gameplay you want and instead becomes just a useful management tool for folks with fleets of ships. Now that's not to say the latter isn't a good thing to have, but it's not why the devs implemented this feature.
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If you die and eject, your pod without propulsion or frame-shift sits in space until the unlikely event that someone comes to rescue it, could be days, weeks, never. Simulating this would be idiocy. Even if we assumed that the thing had propulsion, what do I do, sit and look at a blank screen for possibly hours on end until the pod makes it back to safety? Again, idiocy. Why you would even think this is comparable to having a ship moved, while you are still flying about and fully able to interact with the game world is completely beyond understanding.
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