This is what I've been thinking about but felt like I was missing something critical and would sound stupid bringing it up. If there are technical limitations to having your ship disappear off the grid and appear again sometime later, then as far as the coding goes sure instantly transfer the ship - but add a lockout timer that says "IN TRANSIT" or some such.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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This is what I've been thinking about but felt like I was missing something critical and would sound stupid bringing it up. If there are technical limitations to having your ship disappear off the grid and appear again sometime later, then as far as the coding goes sure instantly transfer the ship - but add a lockout timer that says "IN TRANSIT" or some such.
Transfering your multimillion ship for let's say 20 - 50M credits? Ok, maybe few people are ready to burn so much. I think you really underestimate importance of cost here.
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That's really not an strong argument - people moan about things costing way less.
WOW!! It really hurts. Deep in my stomach...
First time in two years I have the impreasion my favorite developer IS MAKING SO LAZY AND CHEAP SHORTCUT!!(
It feels almost like both David Braben and Michael Brookes went for annual leave and this feature was implemented into the game without even consulting a word with them about it.
I feel a bit cheated, kicked in the crouch..., dunno..., but this is really odd feeling... I SO LOVE FRONTIER CREW..., WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS???
Someone hug me please...............
I got you...
Non instant ship transfer isnt a timesink. When I follow your logic why you need to WALK in Star citizen to board your ship? Also the argument about already in game instant mechanics doesnt count for me, since most of them.are there from the beginning and dont rise so much problems.
In comparison to now it would be even a time saver to have someone transport your ship while you can be doing stuff in the current ship. And dont forget the influence on gameplay, the loss of the sense of scale of the galaxy, etc. Just read the posts, it was already explained a few times now. For players who want all insta gratification FD made the Arena.
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Well , I cant give any opinion on price yet.
I will give feedback once the beta is here.
It just think its something thats going in the wrong direction. however thats just my opinion and if someone else love it , good on them. I wish I could feel the same.
It just feels like so many ships are going to become pointless
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Hey if anyone wants to start a chat asking for loading , repair and outfitting wait times as I have said before it would get my vote. Taking in a knackered ship and getting told it would take 30m to put right in the mean time take out a mining rig or a police patrol to pass the time in a supplied ship
Not really. The "instant transfer" thing is problematic for RPers, granted, but it's not the end of the world. What's more concerning is that it looks as though ships normally incapable of making journeys on their own will be able to go wherever the player's longest-range ship can go. And while there might be in-game precedents for that (they could be hitching a ride on a capital ship) it eliminates the need to balance jump range against other aspects when outfitting. It makes combat-oriented builds incrementally more powerful, especially against trade ships that (rightfully) can't take advantage of the transfer mechanism while laden.
Now if FD could make it so that no ship can be transferred anywhere that it couldn't be flown manually, I'll be a lot more forgiving on the "instant" issue. And they could do this; they could use a modified route-planner routine to verify that there's a valid route from A to B that passes by enough refuelling stations (or scoopable stars if a scoop is fitted) before allowing the transfer*. Except that would require client or server resources, possibly both, and it looks very likely that all FD are interested in is providing a quick fix that uses as few extra resources as possible.
[SUP]*This would put Jaques out of range for transfers, which I personally wouldn't have
issue with as it seems like a ridiculously powerful mechanism anyway. But YMMV.[/SUP]
issue with as it seems like a ridiculously powerful mechanism anyway. But YMMV.[/SUP]
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I for one am glad for this change as it is. I still have to travel wherever I am going to go, to do whatever I was going to do, but it frees up a lot more of my rather limited play time, and makes it more "play time".
Big one is what they mentioned in the stream. I always check for CZs when hauling things around, mark them, and then when hauling is done, go get my combat ship, then get back to the CZ... Sometimes the act of doing that alone accounts for the majority of my game time for a night... It's like "oh ya! I actually get 20 mins to do what I just spent the last hr jumping for".
I understand why some people may not like this however. At least you still need to get yourself to your destination though, just without the need to do it multiple times back & forth just to do a wider range of things while there.
Big one is what they mentioned in the stream. I always check for CZs when hauling things around, mark them, and then when hauling is done, go get my combat ship, then get back to the CZ... Sometimes the act of doing that alone accounts for the majority of my game time for a night... It's like "oh ya! I actually get 20 mins to do what I just spent the last hr jumping for".
I understand why some people may not like this however. At least you still need to get yourself to your destination though, just without the need to do it multiple times back & forth just to do a wider range of things while there.
Then we also cannot have module storage implemented, you can swap out your modules upon arrival in the system you want to fight in. Same effect right?
+1 for instatravel or a real short delay.
Well david braben did say
''You WILL be able to see gold be loaded to your ship...
But I dont think it will happen , or at least it will be on NPCs only...
try understanding what i wrote first. "it has been said to boredom" may not be proper or common english but can be easily understood as "it has been said zillions of times, and then some". has nothing to do with combat ships being boring
logic: if you can travel 200ly in an asp with 40ly jump range and then immediately teleport your fdl, that's the same as having a 40ly jump range full combat fdl in my book. such a beauty should be around 14ly unmodded.
besides, when was the last time you saw someone 'pursuing' someone else in supercruise more than 2 jumps?
Good argument Jack, +1 for constructive idea.
Indeed... besides: There are good gameplay choices and there are dumb ones. Waiting for your ship to be repaired or to re spawn after death, bars you from playing the game - "realtime" ship transfer doesn't.
It undermines balance by voiding the jump range ecosystem altogether, because no one with money will ever travel by any other means then by "explorer" taxi. They're supposed to be scouts and adventurers, but now they just transit buses. It's a silly way to address jump range boredom, and one that undermines the sense of immersion in a 1:1 scale galaxy. And voids all of the effort put into modding combat ship jump range.
I thought more on this. The biggest break for me is the value of the FSD jump range mechanics, the fuel range/duration mechanics.
Maybe just do a route calculation, and fail the ship move if the ship can't complete a jump leg distance, or the ship fuel could not be replenished (no system stations to refuel, no fuel scoop, no scoopable stars)... Then fail/deny the move. At least that would make the FSD sizes still relevant. It would make fitting a fuel scoop still relevant. Even a lowly Class 1 scoop. Fine.
Even if the route took 25 jumps to make it work. A player could *actually* complete the trip in the ship as outfitted from the cockpit. Fine. Save the player that time and effort. But at least those core ship mechanics would still matter. I still have to care about ship jump range, about ship mass, about fuel concerns before I do a move. Actually care about the core mechanics of our ship gameplay.
And that could be done all client side. Just like my own route plotting now. No server loads, etc.
Maybe just do a route calculation, and fail the ship move if the ship can't complete a jump leg distance, or the ship fuel could not be replenished (no system stations to refuel, no fuel scoop, no scoopable stars)... Then fail/deny the move. At least that would make the FSD sizes still relevant. It would make fitting a fuel scoop still relevant. Even a lowly Class 1 scoop. Fine.
Even if the route took 25 jumps to make it work. A player could *actually* complete the trip in the ship as outfitted from the cockpit. Fine. Save the player that time and effort. But at least those core ship mechanics would still matter. I still have to care about ship jump range, about ship mass, about fuel concerns before I do a move. Actually care about the core mechanics of our ship gameplay.
And that could be done all client side. Just like my own route plotting now. No server loads, etc.
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About credit cost for insta transfer: I wonder if the people interested in that abomination realize that paying 50M is paying with the time it took them to make those 50M. It becomes really expensive then. Shooting their own foot, maybe?
Could i just choose to wait for my ship instead of paying any sort of ridiculous amount of credits, as some are suggesting?
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Posted this in another thread, then realised it was the wrong one (although still related)
Personally, I was not expecting instant transfer, even as a somewhat casual player, I would prefer it to take time and be affordable.
IMO, it should be something like:
* (Distance / Ship Range) x 2, so (400 / 16) x 2 = 50 mins or (400 / 35) x 2 = 22 mins.
* Only be possible if the ship has a fuel scoop... unless we are gonna see huge transport ships carrying anaconda's etc.
* Also, as with everything else, using the in-game clock, so you don't need to be logged in for it to happen.
Personally, I was not expecting instant transfer, even as a somewhat casual player, I would prefer it to take time and be affordable.
IMO, it should be something like:
* (Distance / Ship Range) x 2, so (400 / 16) x 2 = 50 mins or (400 / 35) x 2 = 22 mins.
* Only be possible if the ship has a fuel scoop... unless we are gonna see huge transport ships carrying anaconda's etc.
* Also, as with everything else, using the in-game clock, so you don't need to be logged in for it to happen.
Agreed .. whatever the solution the time MUST end up truncated .. to some, probably a large, degree.
But instant? Can't be the end goal, surely. In any case hundreds of thousands of tons of metal (and hydrogen reactors) traversing the galaxy by quantum tunnel .. that's likely to collapse the space-tine continuum entirely isn't it??
All that gravitational wave noise is probably what's attracting the aliens!! .. noooooo
that's exactly how i think it should be implemented, not only to figure out if the trip is at all possible, but to compute travel time and eta. actually seeing the ship's progression in the galaxy map would be a nice plus.
Except that would require client or server resources, possibly both, and it looks very likely that all FD are interested in is providing a quick fix that uses as few extra resources as possible.
it looks exactly like that. that's why we all are making happy noise! so they reconsider!
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