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Alli

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Hi Elite Team

I am playing and has been so for the past many years, with the same five guys.
We absolutely love spacesims. and we all got hold of Elite with great anticipation.

And sure enough, once you get hold of the navi/docking, the game is pretty sweet.

Dogfights are awsome
In cockpit flight feeling is superb
Sound is great

But the list of stuff that needs to be fixed or is simlply just annoying.
The mechanics of the game is just to crude and undeveloped.

Supercruise..... well there are tons of post... needs obvious fixing.
game content...... The community must love spacetrucking or endles jumping scanning - we dont!
PVP/PVE ... well once you get a few million and the abillity to take down anacondas fast.... what then, it simply becomes too boring....

Running missions... would be cool if it was actually dangerous and the supercruise was better, as is, it just silly and pointless
"but but Alli you can get Sol acces...." Awsome is SOL access the opener for tons of content and cool stuff to do??

AI... come on. there is no danger anywhere in Elite, unless some stupid ship with absolutely no AI races into LOF
(oh thats right that also not dangerous, you just finish the kill, and jump out of there)
AI... cant count the number of conda, dropships, clippers, that jumped out when i had them down to 5-15% - pointless

Trading... sure but eventually we all winded up running the same routes 2- jumps with close station, because nothing could really beat the income
(another effect of the travel system?)


Social.... well let no go there, lets just say we gave up on using ingame com, and put a TS server instead.
Teaming.... whats the point, there are absolutely nobody/nothng to team up against

Upgrades/items.... too random, whats the fun in SC/Jumping half the universe, to fit a ship.
Wwhy not just have a station in a extremely dangerous system.... "get good enough to fight your way in and item heaven is open"

Map.... well a current incar nav, can send me from here to uganda with 5000 turns... but the future hightech ones for interstellar travel cant plan 100 jumps

Stations.. Anybody happy with those, go to the Rare narcotics, ones near SOL... i think it is alpha centauri... 0,22 LY. Please explain me the point of placing a station that needs 4 hours of travel... one hour of accellerating and then 3 hours of looking at the screen.... that just silly waste of time


So bottomline
after 3 weeks of playing we are all sitting with the same feeling.
Its boring.. we could do what we did yesterday or log.

well we are logging out and have agreed to pop back in half a year from now and check if it has actually become a game
Really hope you guys will add challenge, pvp, content, ships and fix some of the above.

in 6 months..
How awsome this game could be if half a year from now, 50 vs 50 commanders could be flagged as a team and have a spacebattle with the goal of owning trade/system/capital ship/anything. or 200 vs 200... how awsome if we where forced to team up to have enough muscle to do this or that (mission, purchase in low sec or something)
How awsome if i did not have to pass systems that have stations out on 1-200.000 simply because it takes to long.
How awsome if suddenly there was a RAT that was REALLY REALLY hard.
How awsome if in pvp, the opponent drop a can with gear i could sell.. then pirating would be cool


wiki:
Elite: Dangerous is
a space adventure - Only for those who like endless jumping and scanning, for the rest there is simply to little content
trading - Sure but to what point... why do i need a 40 million ship when i pop a Elite Conda with a cobra..
and combat simulator - if you want to run the same sim. over and over


Done writing.. now all the spacetruckers can post why you guys do not need to change anything at all.
good trucking guys.
 
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Odin Wyrmbane

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The game is extremely new, and what they have implemented already is impressive enough as it is. I agree that there needs to be some changes, because after a while the game becomes very repetitive, but again, the game is fresh out of the oven. You could have done some more research into what the game offered at this stage before purchasing it, but hopefully you'll return in half a years time to see some of your issues addressed. Personally I will be very patient with this game, as I see a great potential for it to grow. There are so many amazing things this game COULD offer if the developers are interested in adding them, and hopefully they see the same thing :)
 
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Alli

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Odin Wyrmbane said:
The game is extremely new, and what they have implemented already is impressive enough as it is. I agree that there needs to be some changes, because after a while the game becomes very repetitive, but again, the game is fresh out of the oven. You could have done some more research into what the game offered at this stage before purchasing it, but hopefully you'll return in half a years time to see some of your issues addressed. Personally I will be very patient with this game, as I see a great potential for it to grow. There are so many amazing things this game COULD offer if the developers are interested in adding them, and hopefully they see the same thing :)
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Fully agree, there is tons of potential.. we are actually all of us impressed with the combat mechanics and feeling of spaceflight...
that part is tons better than EVE which we were playing for the better part of 5 years.

really hope they will improve the game.
 

Agony_Aunt

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Alli said:
Done writing.. now all the spacetruckers can post why you guys do not need to change anything at all.
good trucking guys.
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Who says nothing needs changing at all? Never heard anyone say that. In fact, most arguments are over exactly how things should change... i mean, just read the forums.

Most people (except a few like you) seem to be looking forward to the upcoming changes. Lots of things planned, more to come. To be honest, you whole post is pretty ridiculous.

So, not sure what you are expecting. Flames? Begging from FD that you don't leave? People to wave you off, as you go galloping into the sunset?

Well, based off your post, i can only say that the game was most likely not suitable for you and your friends, and that its is for the good of all that you are leaving.

So, dosvedanaya droog. (that's goodbye friend in Russian, just so you don't think its something insulting).
 

raok

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I think that the most of us are just trucking to get money for the future content.


But have to agree that something should be done for this trucking madness ASAP. Everything else would get a meaning if trucking would not be the only option to make money.


Like if in super cruise it would actually make sense to interdict and liberate the target from its cargo. SC would start making sense. Now I earn more in 10 seconds by just trucking.


Have to admit that I have no idea what could be the big plan if this is WAI. Would really like to read the reason for this.


But yes, they have done really nice "base" for a game, now we just have to wait and hope they do not ruin it all.
 

xondk

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New game is out, less then a month old, keeping what they promised about release, and are applying patches at a rate most other games do not. Listening to the community.

Plain and simply I would say, you maybe should have read up about the game before you bought it. Everything is clearly stated, and it is also clearly stated that things will continue to be developed. But yeah lets see.

Supercruise: Guess what, space is huge beyond anything else, getting from a to b is going to take time, and the amount of time it takes in elite is to I believe the majority, not a problem.
Game content: Well what else were you expecting to be doing? missions, trading, combat, it is the same in ALL other games.
PVP/PVE/MISSIONS/AI: I can cautiously agree that the AI is a bit easy, but if you come up against Dangerous or Elite it seems to jump significantly, maybe needs to scale better?
Trading: That's how trading is eveywhere, for a few people it might work just fine, but if the route becomes too popular profit is lost.

Social/Teaming: It is on the way, very soon, from my impression 1.1 will have the basic stuff
Upgrades: Because just because the system is high in population with enemies, does not mean they will be using the weapons you want?
Map: This is also being fixed in 1.1

Stations: It is far out so that they don't get police after them? you know, like criminals in general do?

Is Elite Dangerous for you? no obviously not.
Should it be changed to 'fit' you? no it should not, it should remain the game Frontier Dev want to create, there are a ton of games out there, and most of them try to make the game they think players want, and the games mostly end up being bad.
Elite Dangerous is created as a game that Frontier Development wants to create and as long as it remains true to that, I believe it will attract players that enjoy that kind of games. If you do not like it, don't play it. They explained their game very very well, so you had plenty of warning.

Maybe Space simulator games are not for you, or in general simulator games. Because simulator games are in general games that the player needs to adapt to/spend time learning and such rather then instant gratification, they are often 'slow' games compared to mainstream games. And if you do not enjoy that, that is fine. But you cannot blame the game for that.
 

Alli

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raok said:
I think that the most of us are just trucking to get money for the future content.


But have to agree that something should be done for this trucking madness ASAP. Everything else would get a meaning if trucking would not be the only option to make money.


Like if in super cruise it would actually make sense to interdict and liberate the target from its cargo. SC would start making sense. Now I earn more in 10 seconds by just trucking.


Have to admit that I have no idea what could be the big plan if this is WAI. Would really like to read the reason for this.


But yes, they have done really nice "base" for a game, now we just have to wait and hope they do not ruin it all.
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Well its being developed, so hopefully in time it will evolve into something cool, with tons of fun stuff to do
 

Alli

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xondk said:
New game is out, less then a month old, keeping what they promised about release, and are applying patches at a rate most other games do not. Listening to the community.

Plain and simply I would say, you maybe should have read up about the game before you bought it. Everything is clearly stated, and it is also clearly stated that things will continue to be developed. But yeah lets see.


Game content: Well what else were you expecting to be doing? missions, trading, combat, it is the same in ALL other games.
: The issue is not that it exist, the issue is the simplicity/repetition

Trading: That's how trading is eveywhere, for a few people it might work just fine, but if the route becomes too popular profit is lost.
: As stated, trading is trading, what i personally would like is balance between risk/profit, instead of just time/profit

Social/Teaming: It is on the way, very soon, from my impression 1.1 will have the basic stuff
: Partially fixed

Upgrades: Because just because the system is high in population with enemies, does not mean they will be using the weapons you want?
: Then fitting well = not skill/gameplay, but rather fitting well = searchingtime Cmd is rdy to invest

Map: This is also being fixed in 1.1
: As far as i read, only partially as well

Stations: It is far out so that they don't get police after them? you know, like criminals in general do?
: ok but 4 hours of looking at the screen ........

Is Elite Dangerous for you? no obviously not.
Should it be changed to 'fit' you? no it should not, it should remain the game Frontier Dev want to create, there are a ton of games out there, and most of them try to make the game they think players want, and the games mostly end up being bad.
Elite Dangerous is created as a game that Frontier Development wants to create and as long as it remains true to that, I believe it will attract players that enjoy that kind of games. If you do not like it, don't play it. They explained their game very very well, so you had plenty of warning.

Maybe Space simulator games are not for you, or in general simulator games. Because simulator games are in general games that the player needs to adapt to/spend time learning and such rather then instant gratification, they are often 'slow' games compared to mainstream games. And if you do not enjoy that, that is fine. But you cannot blame the game for that.
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You are absolutely right, but as well i can only form my opinion based on the current level of the game.
 
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Agony_Aunt

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Alli said:
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You are absolutely right, but as well i can only form my opinion based on the current level of the game.
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Sure, but to knowingly dismiss what is know to be coming when making your post was a bit of a gross oversight wouldn't you agree? Or are you saying you had no idea about the planned features, both long term and short term? In which case, isn't it a bit foolish to make a decision without obtaining the full range of facts first?
 

xondk

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Alli said:
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You are absolutely right, but as well i can only form my opinion based on the current level of the game.
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On upgrades: It actually isn't that random, it seems related to economy type and population, but yeah still a bit random, but you can make some good guesses about where to go, and once you find a great place? write the name down?

Good traders can almost eliminate the risk in all games that have trading, so while I sorta agree, it just doesn't work that way.

I haven't heard about any place that takes 4 hours to get to system name? I've heard like 20-30 min to some stations, but they also are very good for trading and such so that's the tradeoff?

But yeah, I know it is frustrating to buy a game only to find that it isn't to your liking, I've done it, I think most have done it at some point.
I would say go play something else, and come back later and see if it is to your liking then, getting irritated and frustrated over it only stresses yourself, and there is no reason for that. Post some idea's that would solve what you see as problem, and wait, a little patience can pay off in a quite satisfying manner. :)
 

Microblitz

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xondk said:
Maybe Space simulator games are not for you, or in general simulator games. Because simulator games are in general games that the player needs to adapt to/spend time learning and such rather then instant gratification, they are often 'slow' games compared to mainstream games. And if you do not enjoy that, that is fine. But you cannot blame the game for that.
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I have a game for him http://www.goat-simulator.com/
It has some serious non-trucking action. Soon to be expanded with "Goats in space".

PS Can the devs implement an account transfer button so I can say "Can I have his stuff" and mean it. :)
 
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Alli

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xondk said:
I haven't heard about any place that takes 4 hours to get to system name?

But yeah, I know it is frustrating to buy a game only to find that it isn't to your liking, I've done it, I think most have done it at some point.
I would say go play something else, and come back later and see if it is to your liking then, getting irritated and frustrated over it only stresses yourself, and there is no reason for that. Post some idea's that would solve what you see as problem, and wait, a little patience can pay off in a quite satisfying manner. :)
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Alpha Centauri - station is 0,22 LY (not LS) out
Accelerated to 1600 (which seems to be max) took me well over an hour to get ETA below 4 hours, when speed eventually maxed out..

And yes i think we will return to good old decent2 for some time..
and Yes it wasnt super constructive thread... we were talking last nite on TS, and basicly we where all just logging in without gamepurpose, but solely to be social.
one has wondered of exploring, system after system, 2 is hauling, i ended up shooting bounty at nav. last mate hasnt really been on lately.

We need a good spacesim that does not need 3 realtime years of skillpoints to be fun (EVE) and we all just really wanted Elite to be that game....
And honestly it became repetitive really really fast

So sure i could have been more suggestive/polite in my thread. But that does not really change POW.
 

Sammey

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Your observations are clear and well thought out. I'm, inclined to agree with some of them.
Keep in mind however. There are a lot of game beta backers here who spent lots of money and time helping develop
this game. They will never like to see game critics, with good reason. Most are aware of the game flaws and expect updates
to fix or tweak game play.
Personally. I'm "holding in there" until such time as game play is improved. There are a ton of games out there to play in the mean time.
 
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