Your earlier comment was issued as a blanket state of fact. I called you on that. Now you have amended your statement to an opinion and I have no problems with that. Thank you. Your comment about me being delusional and having placed myself as some adjudicator on the topic are both rude and wrong. I have no bloody idea if ship interiors is even feasible. I have stated this on many occasions. What I have been trying to do in the last few posts is call people on these blanket statements of universal truths that THEY and YOU have been making. If there are people here who claim to be speaking for everyone, I strongly suggest THEY wear that claim of trying to be adjudicators.
97% of Viewers (Players?) Want Ship Interiors!
- Thread starter Obsidian Ant
- Start date
- Status
Haha, now I might just have to vote in favour... oh dear
Mod support. Now that would be awesome
Ok, this time you have made a post that does not seem rude. I have to agree with you that in terms of gameplay, there might be other things that could be added to the game that might give a bigger bang for the buck. The problem right now is that we don't know the true scope of interest in ship interiors. We need a much more comprehensive poll with many more options and some details listing the cost to both the players and Frontier for such a project. The poll that sparked this discussion was interesting but so very limited in terms of what could be gleaned from it. I would be loathe to jump into development, based on this single poll.No, just getting info out of you
"Barbie Doll's houses" and "playing fetch with pets" is perfectly acceptable and well establish game play dating back to ultima - but it is what it is, and by your own admission 'limited' in terms of game play use - so definitely one for the back of a long development queue...
As for the 'poll' that started this all off...pathetic, worthy of a 2 bit politician
Nonsense, all your posts have a very thin veneer of reasonableness, but are all just a demand for 'Barbie Doll's houses' - quite transparent, own it, stop trying to sound like you don't quite care, when you obviously do...
I can see a huge, really huge, amount of potential with that - but one that needs careful thought.
Actually, I have never said I didn't want ship interiors. I am very much in favor of them. I have always been upfront about that. I don't know where you are coming from with this weird accusation about something that I have stated on MULTIPLE occasions that I am in favor of. It would be imprudent of me though to not admit that I simply do not know how many people want this feature and in what form they are willing to have it in, or even the cost of such a project. This is why I am advocating for more information. If it turns out that ship interiors are NOT financially feasible for Frontier, the project would obviously not be worth undertaking.
To answer your many points:
I'm posting on a forum. My posts are my perspective and thus my own opinion and not a blanket statement of fact as you strangely believe - as are yours.
I have not amended any statement.
You are correct, you have "no bloody idea".
You are the one being dismissive of any post which goes against your view of ship interiors.
Your view of gameplay seems to be much more limited than mine. I include the entire environment of the game, even if it's mostly just pretty pictures. Seeing a beautiful nebula off in the distance is to me, gameplay, just as ship interiors are. I would submit that the problem people are having here which is sparking all these arguments, is that gameplay is a SUBJECTIVE thing and should be carefully described in those terms.
"Ship interiors add nothing to game play". Sounds pretty much like a statement of fact to me.
"I don't believe it'll add anything to gameplay". The amended statement. Again, I thank you for stating this as an opinion.
Yes, I have no bloody idea and neither do you or anyone else here. Only Frontier would know for sure whether or not this is feasible.
You have yet to list an actual statement that I have made that has dismissed outright anyone who does not favor my view of ship interiors. I don't believe I made one. In fact, I have clearly said over and over again that there may be potential issues with cost vs profitability that would make such a project not practical. None of us knows if this is feasible or even practical.
That was not meant as an insult. He appears to have a much narrower scope of what is considered gameplay. That is no less valid than any view I hold."Your view of gameplay seems to be much more limited than mine" wow, really? lol, you @$$
Particularly so when they are started with such an enormous distortion of the truth. If the OP does this again they should get a ban.
I would disagree with your assessment. There are key features of the game which must be played in order to progress through the game. Flying ships and earning in game money are part of that. One could say that THOSE key features are core to the game and therefore are to be treated universally as gameplay. There are a lot of other features, however, that need not be touched and yet may still be considered gameplay by certain players.
Hmm, I will try to restate my position on this whole issue because I may have not been as clear as I could have. First, there are a number of us (how many I do not know) that would find ship interiors, even in limited form, to be gameplay. Second, for some of us, that form of gameplay would be repeatable. Third, the only issue I have taken with previous posters was that they have made (in some cases repeatedly) what appears to have been blanket statements of fact regarding the gameplay issue. That some people do not consider ship interiors to be gameplay for THEM does not offend me in the least. Their opinions are easily as valid as mine. Fourth, we lack a considerable amount of information on which to determine whether or not ship interiors are even worth the effort. We don't know what form they would take (limited or extensive). We don't know how much interest there would be in each of these various implementations. We don't know what the cost would be to Frontier. Without this information, as much as I would love to have ship interiors, I simply can not unconditionally advocate for their development. If this sounds like all of the arguing that has been going on, has been somewhat pointless, you would probably be right. This is not a "Hatfields vs the McCoys" situation. In many respects we share similar views. I was just frustrated with so many people trying to make universal claims about what is gameplay and what isn't. In essence there is indeed a core universal gameplay and then there is very much subjective elements that vary in terms of interest from player to player but could still be considered a form of gameplay for the players interested in that sort of thing.So what's your problem then. Key features (ships) are there. According to your theory anything else should mysteriously fall in place. Just a matter of time
Last edited:
And now you are back to backhanded attempts to insult me. I will only say this (aside from perhaps you should get a new spellchecker): I never claimed to be a fount of truth. I simply wanted other people to stop making claims about what is or isn't gameplay, for everyone playing this game. Everyone here has an opinion and those opinions should be respected....unless they are stated as fact when they are not. On MANY occasions there have been individuals doing just this. If you want to take someone to task about claiming to be the bearers of truth, you should check with them.
I wouldn't bother much. Some here are really militant about it either way. If someone consistently insults you just because you think this or that may be fun in a computer game that person is not worth engaging with.
A perfect example of what I have been arguing against all along. You are throwing out blanket statements about ship interiors and gameplay, as if they are universal truths. By the way, in none of my previous posts have I claimed to have a great imagination. Is this just one more backhanded attempt to insult me? If so, try to find something that is actually true.
I think you may be right, Ian Skippy. This might not be worth dealing with anymore because the results are always the same. Thanks for that advice.
Hey! Why aren't you guys dumping on content creators anymore?
- Status