A complete roster suggestion

NachoB

NachoB
TuchA said:
For me the antelopes missing are Gerenuk, Impala, Kirk's dik-dik, Common tsessebe, Blackbuck...
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I would add the addax, blue wildebeast and saiga to that. And i really want a greater kudu and a waterbuck. The tibetan antelope is also pretty unique but not a priority.

I actually agree with you and i want more antelopes. I was talking about the community in general.
 

TuchA

TuchA
NachoB said:
I would add the addax, blue wildebeast and saiga to that. And i really want a greater kudu and a waterbuck. The tibetan antelope is also pretty unique but not a priority.

I actually agree with you and i want more antelopes. I was talking about the community in general.
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Ok I wasn't hitting that on you, I know what you meant 😉 I know that the community doesn't want to, I don't understand why....
In my post I still wrote about Saola, but she is not antelope....
Tibetan antelope is also very different and has mountainous terrain. In the same way saiga is different....

I am also in favor of, for example, adding Arabian oryx.... But if I had to choose already, the ones that are different first.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
NachoB said:
I would add the addax, blue wildebeast and saiga to that. And i really want a greater kudu and a waterbuck. The tibetan antelope is also pretty unique but not a priority.

I actually agree with you and i want more antelopes. I was talking about the community in general.
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Tibetan antelopes are actually goats, not antelopes, similar to the pronghorns who are actually giraffe relatives.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
TuchA said:
Here's the problem: antelopes were added 2... out of 10 dlc only or as many as 2! If there had been 15/20 of them then I would understand, but 2?

That's not much considering how many antelope species there are and how many antelopes are in zoos in rl.
For me the antelopes missing are Gerenuk, Impala, Kirk's dik-dik, Common tsessebe, Blackbuck.... they are all different, different from the animals in the game and I would really be happy if at least one of them was added to the game....

I'm happy about Scimitar horned oryx, because I waited a long time for it, Nile lechwe I personally did not know. I don't understand people's aversion to this part of animals.... They are missing as much as monkeys, pigs or even birds.

Black wildebeest, Bongo, Gemsbok, Nyala, Pronghorn (it's a moot point here, but I'll list it here), Sable antelope, Springbok, Thomson's Gazzele and? And nothing. 7 antelopes + 1 pronghorn + 2 antelopes from dlc = 10 antelopes.

There are 10 cats in the game (including lynx), that's the same number as antelope and you can still say there are a lot?

Sorry, I wrote a lot.
This post is not intended to offend anyone, outrage anyone.... I am writing my thoughts here and do not want to cause an argument. I know that everyone has their own preferences (I also don't put antelope first because they have to appear). But the fact that people are tired of antelope is beyond my comprehension.... and frankly a pity.
Have a great night/day!
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Generally for marketability reasons there's usually only one or two "herbivore" slots in every dlc, which split between many many underrepresented groups of ungulates.
Groups which I saw people want more from:
1. Cervids - 3 in the game (0 in base game)
2. Suines - 2 in the game (1 in base game)
3. Caprines - 2 in the game (0 in base game)
4. Camelids - 2 in the game (1 in base game)
5. Tapirs* - 2 in the game (1 in base game)
6. Non-antelope bovines - 3 in the game (2 in the base game)
7. Equids - 2 in the game (1 in the base game)
8. Rhinos - 2 in the game (1 in the base game)
9. Antelopes - 9 in the game (6 in the base game)

*Tapirs seem to be less of a priority, Malayan Tapir model aside

I'd like to see more antelopes, especially desert and asian antelopes, but I see why they are less prioritized in dlcs overall
 
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TuchA

TuchA
yoav_r said:
Tibetan antelopes are actually goats, not antelopes, similar to the pronghorns who are actually giraffe relatives.
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Oh, right. I remembered about Pronghorn antelope and forgot to mention Tibetan antelope... I think it's because of their name, but I agree
 

TuchA

TuchA
yoav_r said:
I'd like to see more antelopes, especially desert and asian antelopes, but I see why they are less prioritized in dlcs overall
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I get it, there are "more important" animals and I'm glad we have/get them. All groups needed additions, a lot has already been added and that's fine.
But the comment "we have a lot of antelope, give something else, because we don't want it" as the community says.... These animals "less liked/known" are also needed in the game. Southeast Asia Animal Pack is just such a dlc. I still don't know what the biggest star in this package is! (Probably bear, but it is not such a favorite as in other dlcs).

That's why I'm happy with Frontier's choices, which doesn't include only known choices in its dlcs. Personally, I don't want to build a zoo with only famous species, because every zoo also has lesser known species that we see for the first time sometimes. A zoo consisting of only celebrities is good, but for me something is missing.... that mystery/uniqueness? I don't know how to write it, but I think you get my point.

Now I think that practically for the most part there are such species left that have to this "zoo niche" as lesser known/more common animals in the case of at least antelope fill in the game. Because let's not hide, there are not a lot of stars left that can appear in the game....
When I think that there are only 2 dlc left, it makes me sad that after so many years there will suddenly be an end.... What will be, what won't be. Slowly it's going to be a struggle for genres, and each has something unique about it. It's going to be a difficult moment and I don't want to think about it yet...

Again, I wrote a lot... 😅 I don't want to stray from the topic of the thread.... I would be happy with the list that your map presents. And so I'm already satisfied with the current list of animals in the game, because I didn't think there would be so many! Hopefully most of this map, if not all of it, will appear in the game! 😊
 

NachoB

NachoB
TuchA said:
That's why I'm happy with Frontier's choices, which doesn't include only known choices in its dlcs. Personally, I don't want to build a zoo with only famous species, because every zoo also has lesser known species that we see for the first time sometimes. A zoo consisting of only celebrities is good, but for me something is missing.... that mystery/uniqueness? I don't know how to write it, but I think you get my point.
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I understand what you mean and i also appreciate the variety but i think there are still a lot of "popular" or "iconic" animals (maybe not with the general public but in the animal nerd communities) that are still missing before focusing on rare species, specially if we have trully only two DLC left. For instance i prefer for them to give us an addax, blackbuck or impala over a hirola or saola.

I do think we are lacking in small ungulates though so a the dik dik would be perfect.

Also BIRDS please.
 

Khaidu

Khaidu
ElectricMonk said:
As an Aussie, I’d say the swan is at least as iconic as the brolga but non-Aussies are better placed to say what’s considered ‘iconic’ of Australia by the rest of the world.
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The Brolga is a very big deal as Aboriginals use it in Dreamtime stories and art. With the current movement in Australia to properly recognise the original owners of the land and pay respects to the elders I think the Brolga is much more significant of an animal than the black swan culturally.

Some Aboriginal dances are inspired by the Brolgas beautiful dances.

In a well-known Dreaming about Brolga, she was a beautiful girl obsessed with dancing. A wirrinun (shaman) wanted her for his wife but she refused, as she refused all men. Dancing was her love and nothing else distracted her. He harboured resentment until one day, seeing her dancing alone on the plain he takes his chance, changes himself into a willywilly (small whirlwind) and sweeps her into it with the intention of abducting her. The Great Spirit intervenes and she is transformed into Brolga as we see her today. She is still dancing.
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Alternatively instead of black swan it could be lyebird, which appears on our 10c coins and is also considered an iconic animal. This would complete the Australian roster that is on our coins. It is a very unique and beautiful animal that mimics hundreds of calls and sounds.
 

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yoav_r

yoav_r
Khaidu said:
The Brolga is a very big deal as Aboriginals use it in Dreamtime stories and art. With the current movement in Australia to properly recognise the original owners of the land and pay respects to the elders I think the Brolga is much more significant of an animal than the black swan culturally.

Some Aboriginal dances are inspired by the Brolgas beautiful dances. One such dance is the Brolga bungarra dance.




Alternatively instead of black swan it could be lyebird, which appears on our 10c coins and is also considered an iconic animal. This would complete the Australian roster that is on our coins. It is a very unique and beautiful animal that mimics hundreds of calls and sounds.
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As much as I'd love this bird in the game in the long run, I'd really hate to get it if there are few dlcs left, for various reasons:

1. Our bird roster is extremely limited, so there are a lot more "ABC" birds to get before we get to niche ones
2. It looks like a duller version of the red crowned crane, so I'd prefer a bird that is more unique looking.
3. It has nearly no zoo population, compared to the emu and black swan.
4. Even for a niche species, it is extremely unheard of to the point that most zoology buffs in this animal dedicated forum have never heard of it.

Maybe it could use some recognition, but there over 50 birds I'd place above it in the roster.
 

Doran

Doran
yoav_r said:
Groups which I saw people want more from:
1. Cervids - 3 in the game (0 in base game)
2. Suines - 2 in the game (1 in base game)
3. Caprines - 2 in the game (0 in base game)
4. Camelids - 2 in the game (1 in base game)
5. Tapirs - 2 in the game (although they seem to be less of a priority, Malayan Tapir model aside) (1 in base game)
6. Non-antelope bovines - 2 in the game (1 in the base game)
7. Equids - 2 in the game (1 in the base game)
6. Bovines and antelopes - 9 in the game (6 in the base game)
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You forgot rhinos.
 
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