A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

[Saool]

Does the station bounties are handed in at effect lockdown?

There is a new CG in the Morrina system, were our minor faction is based (SMAC). We have done three back to back civil-wars again MPAP who are being supported by others. We won. But today we have a community goal in Morrina.

Both SMAC and MPAP are in lockdown. The bounties will be handed in at Barjavel Vision, which is MPAPs station. Will this create a bias that brings MPAP out of lockdown faster, or is the station irrelevant.

Put another way, do people think this is a slightly cynical move of using CGs to undermine out faction?

Ta.

 

[CMDR pollycough]

By whom?

Me mainly, From information I have gained from answers on this excellent forum by posters i respect!
From 21st March
"Trading in wanted goods has a +ve effect. Trading in unwanted goods has a negative effect., trading out has a +ve effect"
from the wolfberg BGs forum, is one such.

 

[goemon]

Does the station bounties are handed in at effect lockdown?

There is a new CG in the Morrina system, were our minor faction is based (SMAC). We have done three back to back civil-wars again MPAP who are being supported by others. We won. But today we have a community goal in Morrina.

Both SMAC and MPAP are in lockdown. The bounties will be handed in at Barjavel Vision, which is MPAPs station. Will this create a bias that brings MPAP out of lockdown faster, or is the station irrelevant.

Put another way, do people think this is a slightly cynical move of using CGs to undermine out faction?

Ta.

recent testing showed no or neglectable effects of station ownership, where minor faction bounties are cashed in; whether effect on lockdown is the same wasn't tested, but i'd assume there is no difference.

a cg normally makes a system uncontrollable around a cg - to many players doing any kind of missions available, fines and bounties gained etc.; a bhing cg helps a lot with that (countering lockdown and influence losses).

a bhing cg as undermining won't work at all. but basically you can stop bgs work for the upcoming 10 days, till traffic is again normal.

 

[goemon]

Hi all, this is a question please for any of the wonderful mercs.
1.Which minor factions have civil wars and which have elections please?
Our ally players group the Angeli Imperial are feudal - empire and they are fighting the Bureau of Wangal who are dictatorship-independent. They always get elections.
2.We are patronage - empire, and we love civil wars, so who should we avoid so we do not have elections please?
In our system we have corporate - empire (we have civil wars with them)
Democracy -independent
Patronage - empire
unfettered - inderpendant.

Thank you all in advance!

no merc here ;-)

"Election: two minor factions of the same type that isn't criminal, regardless of home star system" - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133134

here is a list of goverment-types crossover allegience: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=132071

from therr, your first case reads as a bug. if angeli imperial are "neo-feudalists", which is the empirial goverment type for feudalistic, they should not get an election with bureau of wangal. my assumption is, they are a dictatorship, like most player backed factions, which aren't democratic or anarchistic. i'd suggest asking support to check.


your own patronage should get into elections with lobbyists, investors and patronage in my understanding.

 

[frostypaw]

Small question that I'm afraid I CBA to go through 152 pages for - why sometimes do factions ask us to fight against them? Why would they want us to do missions for other people and reduce their share of control?

In simplespeak so a Cmdr who wants to come do his bit now and then can grasp why he seems to be fighting for the wrong people... would be much appreciated

 

[toto66]

"Election: two minor factions of the same type that isn't criminal, regardless of home star system" - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133134

here is a list of goverment-types crossover allegience: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=132071

from therr, your first case reads as a bug. if angeli imperial are "neo-feudalists", which is the empirial goverment type for feudalistic, they should not get an election with bureau of wangal. my assumption is, they are a dictatorship, like most player backed factions, which aren't democratic or anarchistic. i'd suggest asking support to check.


your own patronage should get into elections with lobbyists, investors and patronage in my understanding.

This is not a bug.
From Galnet: "Elections occur when two minor factions with a similar political structure resolve a conflict over ownership and influence within a system."
"Similar political structure" does not mean "same government". Examples here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239264

 

[dynamicbob]

yeah the corporate / democratci, communists/fuedal subtypes are there to be seen. My guess is frontier group them into subtypes ( and is there room for other government types to be added down the track perhaps)

 

[goemon]

This is not a bug.
From Galnet: "Elections occur when two minor factions with a similar political structure resolve a conflict over ownership and influence within a system."
"Similar political structure" does not mean "same government". Examples here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239264

thanks for that link! there is quite some contradictionary info in it, though.

like: major faction allegiance, does it matter or not?

maybe somebody knows of a full list, otherwise one could start one.

 

[goemon]

Small question that I'm afraid I CBA to go through 152 pages for - why sometimes do factions ask us to fight against them? Why would they want us to do missions for other people and reduce their share of control?

In simplespeak so a Cmdr who wants to come do his bit now and then can grasp why he seems to be fighting for the wrong people... would be much appreciated

can you give an example?

 

[Mighty Dangerous]

I have a question.

There is some bars next to the commodity listings, next to supply/demand.
What do these bars mean or do?

 

[frostypaw]

can you give an example?

I went to do some missions for Canonn out of Varati having recognised the name, it was only when I came back and read the thread more I found the current orders were to do missions for a different group and do nothing for Canonn as they were wanting a -6% slump in that system

Now confused and a bit sheepish as I fear I might have had a bit to do with the opposite and unwanted action that occured!

 

[Saool]

recent testing showed no or neglectable effects of station ownership, where minor faction bounties are cashed in; whether effect on lockdown is the same wasn't tested, but i'd assume there is no difference.

a cg normally makes a system uncontrollable around a cg - to many players doing any kind of missions available, fines and bounties gained etc.; a bhing cg helps a lot with that (countering lockdown and influence losses).

a bhing cg as undermining won't work at all. but basically you can stop bgs work for the upcoming 10 days, till traffic is again normal.

Thank for the info (again).

Then we are at the mercy of the gods so to speak. We suffered a loss yesterday, are in lockdown and (at the moment) are heading back towards a 4th civil war and can't do anything about it.*

I guess I just get to sit and watch this train crash in slow motion.


*This is of course all based on half understood mechanics.

 

[goemon]

I have a question.

There is some bars next to the commodity listings, next to supply/demand.
What do these bars mean or do?

needs testing (ongoing discussion)

 

[goemon]

Thank for the info (again).

Then we are at the mercy of the gods so to speak. We suffered a loss yesterday, are in lockdown and (at the moment) are heading back towards a 4th civil war and can't do anything about it.*

I guess I just get to sit and watch this train crash in slow motion.


*This is of course all based on half understood mechanics.

basically yes.

might also come down to the question, which faction owns the station closer to entry, because CG players will cash in Alliance bounties there, and major faction bounties do help the station owner, as it looks.

 

[goemon]

I went to do some missions for Canonn out of Varati having recognised the name, it was only when I came back and read the thread more I found the current orders were to do missions for a different group and do nothing for Canonn as they were wanting a -6% slump in that system

Now confused and a bit sheepish as I fear I might have had a bit to do with the opposite and unwanted action that occured!

best to ask in their thread, but i assume it is about matching influence to start a civil war.

the missions don't reflect player groups tactics (obviously), you will often push into boom when doing missions, like if a minor faction wants a boom, while mosy player groups don't want a boom (because it blocks expansion).

this is a serious problem for larger player groups working the BGS - contrary and counterintuitive actions required when playing the BGS. if i don't work alone, but as part of a larger group, i totally stopped playing the BGS from friday to monday ... to much "friendly fire".

 

[frostypaw]

best to ask in their thread, but i assume it is about matching influence to start a civil war.

That makes sense, but why are those in the most influence not in control already? They're already leading significantly.

I figured here was better as it's not about a specific task for them but a more generic "why am I working to do harm to a group that is in the lead, and why aren't that group controlling the station anyway"? As you say it's counterintuitive - those without forum access would probably all be doing the wrong thing

 

[deathmagnet]

I have a question.

There is some bars next to the commodity listings, next to supply/demand.
What do these bars mean or do?

This is a supply and demand meter. Before it used to say High/Medium/Low. Now it just has the 3 different bars. All bars full = High supply (if selling) or demand (if buying). 2 bars medium, 1 bar low.

 

[Mighty Dangerous]

This is a supply and demand meter. Before it used to say High/Medium/Low. Now it just has the 3 different bars. All bars full = High supply (if selling) or demand (if buying). 2 bars medium, 1 bar low.

Many thanks.

 

[Saool]

basically yes.

might also come down to the question, which faction owns the station closer to entry, because CG players will cash in Alliance bounties there, and major faction bounties do help the station owner, as it looks.

Well that would be us... however, the CG specifically requires the bounties to be handed in at the second station, controlled by MPAP.

So 'if' (and that is a big if), the station the bounties are handed in at has an effect on the influence changes in the system (despite both MPAP and SMAC being in lockdown), then we are going to to get hit hard as an unintentional side effect of this CG.

Everything hinges on that little detail.

 

[goemon]

Well that would be us... however, the CG specifically requires the bounties to be handed in at the second station, controlled by MPAP.

So 'if' (and that is a big if), the station the bounties are handed in at has an effect on the influence changes in the system (despite both MPAP and SMAC being in lockdown), then we are going to to get hit hard as an unintentional side effect of this CG.

Everything hinges on that little detail.

well, in that case, yes, MPAP will get all influence from major faction bounties after their lockdown has ended. which will be the major part of bounties cashed in.

you could try to prolong their lockdown, but i don't see it due to sheer numbers at a CG.