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the value of keeping the mystery of self discovery in the game could be worth something in elite if the activities involved were seen as valuable such as gameplay being unique or fun.
however, with all of the game play being the same with each thing you'd be experimenting with and most of that is repetitive and previous experimental results having no value if the next option that requires the same effort just replaces it and all you can do is sell it back for credit cost... then the player's decision reduces to the cost of time... which the game does not refund or value.
so it becomes an obvious result that players will look to avoid that cost and follow guides... since they are not missing out on game play. the idea that they will value the fact that they discover something on their own when weighed against the time lost is unrealistic.
however, exposing yourself as a player to the truth of the game's shallow mechanics and loops on top of the grind laid out to see in order to achieve some goal can have the effect of turning off a player that otherwise could have remained playing in ignorance and eventually reach that goal. the guides often also do not speak to the benefit of moderation to avoid burnout caused by staying in a sequence of grind loops too long.
the thing with enjoying elite long term, is tricking your brain into not recognising what you do each session is basically exactly the same as last and none of it will matter to the game state and all the theoretical discovery and mystery is going to mostly only exist in your imagination. the whole grind is in your mind mantra is exactly this. you can enjoy elite for years and years if you're good at imagining a better game that you are playing while using it and being selectively blind to any attempt to break the illusion.
however, with all of the game play being the same with each thing you'd be experimenting with and most of that is repetitive and previous experimental results having no value if the next option that requires the same effort just replaces it and all you can do is sell it back for credit cost... then the player's decision reduces to the cost of time... which the game does not refund or value.
so it becomes an obvious result that players will look to avoid that cost and follow guides... since they are not missing out on game play. the idea that they will value the fact that they discover something on their own when weighed against the time lost is unrealistic.
however, exposing yourself as a player to the truth of the game's shallow mechanics and loops on top of the grind laid out to see in order to achieve some goal can have the effect of turning off a player that otherwise could have remained playing in ignorance and eventually reach that goal. the guides often also do not speak to the benefit of moderation to avoid burnout caused by staying in a sequence of grind loops too long.
the thing with enjoying elite long term, is tricking your brain into not recognising what you do each session is basically exactly the same as last and none of it will matter to the game state and all the theoretical discovery and mystery is going to mostly only exist in your imagination. the whole grind is in your mind mantra is exactly this. you can enjoy elite for years and years if you're good at imagining a better game that you are playing while using it and being selectively blind to any attempt to break the illusion.
Don’t get me wrong, some of the wording in that video could definitely have been worded better, in that he speaks for his community, and not the overall community.
But I don’t think it’s all that ‘doom [view fishing] for the sake of views’ that it’s being made out as, as I said prior.
And when I mentioned the example of turning off ads, I didn’t mean that as a ‘He doesn’t monetize the channel’, but more of a gesture to convenience the viewers. Assuming he does so(my brain goes into standby mode when any ad pops up to click the skip button, so I don’t usually tend to remember whether I saw any).
It certainly would be, considering how obnoxious YT’s mid-roll ad spam is so that people buy premium. No thanks to that corporate gag, Google…
And no, he definitely is no messiah(so to speak) and - also by his own admission - not the greatest when it comes to AX. Otherwise he would have seen the value in having more than one mod reinforcement on a shieldless combat build*.
That aside, I still think some of the criticism here was still not entirely warranted. Namely the “He’s only doing this to fish for views” part.
*To put a slight pin in that, I think part of the issue lies with how regular PvE enemies make it very easy to hide behind ultra beefy shields and never have to worry about paper hull and modules underneath. I personally make it a point to push back against those ‘only use shields, never bother about hull or module reinforcement’ suggestions purely for the off chance that you ever do lose your shields. A spec ops wing will tear through them pretty quickly if they all focus you.
Or run into anything that uses phasing sequence. Which spec ops will also do.
Also, nothing I said here was meant personally. You’re a pretty fine person as far as I’m concerned.
To be honest, apart from any potential financial rewards, I'd take it for granted that a youtuber is fishing for views, why else do it?
One can also just have an opinion, one doesn't have to be a white knight or a doomster, or any of the shades of grey in between.
One can also just have an opinion, one doesn't have to be a white knight or a doomster, or any of the shades of grey in between.
i like to think that commanders in organic elite world would do the same, as we do. build their own networks and tools. which allows me to roleplay the usage of all 3rd party tools as "ingame" in a sense.It doesn't make sense though. A galaxy with billions (trillions?) of people, and they haven't figured out that sharing information is a good idea? Especially when they don't all get infinite lives
core of sandbox games is do it on your own and elite lets you do it all...
Well it triggers me a bit when people - not just D2EA, also others as well as posters here on the forums, assume to speak from a position of "majority". That's just wrong. It's the classic internet bubble effect. I already said above, I'm sure D2EA is a fine chap, and I don't think I said he was only in it for the money, which I'm fine with by the way. You just have to be aware of the contexts. Also, Youtube is a popularity contest. And if you reach a certain popularity (100k subs would classify for that in my opinion), it is a big temptation to confuse popularity with importance and influence. They aren't called "Influencers" for nothing. I think D2EA regularly falls for that trap, to be honest.
No worries here. I can separate a heated debate from personal beef
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Nice strawman. Oh and what does them being a business and wanting money have to do with the OP and this thread? Keep it together and debate one thing at a time, you're all over the place. In my original comments you didn't even question or tell me I'm wrong. You went straight strawman mode.
I just realised I didn't thank you for this info, I've bookmarked the system and will definitely pay it a visit next time I'm on my way. Thanks, cmdr
Okay: You are wrong.
You claim non of this was his honest opinion. You suggest that he deliberately causes drama and slanders Elite/Frontier because all he wants is money. All the proof you have is "because I said so", "because all Youtubers are inherently evil" or maybe you're a mind reader.
You didn't discuss any of the points made in video. You went straight ad hominem mode.
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