Good tactics, to undermine a person's opinion, undermine their credibility.
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I guess they are very much like game developers in that regard.
the irony if this postGood tactics, to undermine a person's opinion, undermine their credibility.
god forbid a man has an opinion huh? 
also, is the value of an opinion (not having one, anyone can do that) not inseparably linked to the credibility of the holder of that opinion?the irony if this post
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It gets more ironic the more we think about it: what I wrote could be applied from you for my post, from me to MrMaurice, and of course from me to your post. Everyone has at least one opinion.the irony if this post
There is also the "don't attack the poster, just the post", but there's a misty line surrounding that.
I've seen this pop up from time to time, but it's quite incorrect. In the time between Sandro Sammarco's departure and Odyssey, the game's direction was clear: to finish what was already started / promised. (Beyond: Chapter Four's major mining update, its rushed exploration update, then the oft-delayed squadron carriers which thankfully became fleet carriers.)
There wasn't a lot of room for any new designer(s) to maneuver there - Sandro Sammarco was the lead designer by the way, not the game director - especially when Frontier announced the then-unnamed expansion and explicitly stated that before its launch, there won't be any major updates apart from fleet carriers.
Of course, when Odyssey came, the team did have a direction in mind originally but then reality ensued, and the new direction was to get the expansion to an acceptable state first. After that, the current direction seems to be to focus on the Thargoid stuff. We'll see how they'll approach the promised feature rework.
To be fair, pretty much nobody said "let us land on atmospheric planets, but only if the atmosphere is thin", nor "let us have space legs, but not inside the ship". Many people expected that the expansion will be about either space legs or atmospheric flight, some hoped for both... but I don't remember anyone saying that they expect Frontier will do both but halfway.
Oh, I kinda agree with you. I like things being an interesting challenge and taking time and effort to accomplish. However...
This. Folks who want ship interiors (and anything about ship interiors) do not want a challenge, they want immersion. They want to play The Sims inside their spaceship. They want "give it to me and give it to me right now, in full, with a lot of detail, and a lot of personal freedom to do it how I want it". At most, they'd be willing to unlock some stuff via microtransactions. Which is its own problem but I want Elite to keep going so I'm not going to begrudge them their cash shop right now.
Also, my main point is that comparing unlocking literally anything to the process of unlocking Guardian stuff is a risky stance to take if you want your idea to be seen with any merit. The only thing in this game that people screech "grind" at more often than the Guardian module unlock process is material gathering for Engineering/Engineering in general.
That's true, but I think people were being reasonable about not expecting to go from "no atmosphere" to "full ELW" in a single step either - and the disappointment with Odyssey went well beyond the slow pace of progress.
Well, maybe. NMS was a frequent comparison and in that you can walk around:
- planets
- orbital station concourses
- megaships
and not:
- the inside of your personal flyable ship (because it barely has space for one, sure), fade-to-black to disembark.
There's more to do on NMS' planets and megaships, of course - walking around is the focus of the game - but in terms of raw types of environment Odyssey matches it pretty closely. I really wouldn't have guessed "ship interiors" as the forum community priority from the 2017-2020 discussions - or even the 2020-2021 discussions when the rough scope of Odyssey was made more clear - and certainly not over walkable exteriors or base building.
(The gradual move from "space legs" to "base building" to now "ship interiors" as the one must have feature of a space game has been interesting)
They've done that sort of thing once: rather than through the launcher, they sent a survey link to everyone's registered email.
It was about whether ship/module transfers should take time or not: the overall result was 70% in favour of transfers taking time, whereas Frontier's original plan had been to make them instant, but there was a lot of forum pushback against that idea.
Announcement: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/poll-now-closed-important-official-ship-transfer-poll.286967/
Results: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/transfer-poll-results.288348/
The complaint threads about this decision were an extremely common feature of the forums for about three years until Fleet Carriers gave people a much faster and (buying the carrier to start with aside) cheaper way to move their ships and parts, which I expect Frontier learnt something from.
Something along the lines of "designing a game by committee is a BAD idea" I should think
Still following the thread along, and I don't think base-building is an unreasonable addition to the game in a sense. Players already have mobile, upgradeable bases in the form of carriers, so settlements don't feel like such a stretch. It could be handled through a UI similar to the carrier interface and involve a donation depot to collect resources. Once players gather the requisite resources the added building/function to the settlement could be added in the next weekly server tick.
These could serve as a lower-cost but fixed-position alternative to fleet carriers, or an additional player-owned port to act as a sink for those Credits those of us at end-game just can't seem to stop accumulating. It would also provide a use for currently useless things like Building Schematics, Vehicle Schematics, Ship Schematics (you could construct buildings, SRV garages, and landing pads with those each respectively for example). It would also make narrative sense for the aftermath of the ongoing Thargoid War with so many ports being damaged or destroyed, and could give more industrial-minded players a bigger goal to work towards.
These could serve as a lower-cost but fixed-position alternative to fleet carriers, or an additional player-owned port to act as a sink for those Credits those of us at end-game just can't seem to stop accumulating. It would also provide a use for currently useless things like Building Schematics, Vehicle Schematics, Ship Schematics (you could construct buildings, SRV garages, and landing pads with those each respectively for example). It would also make narrative sense for the aftermath of the ongoing Thargoid War with so many ports being damaged or destroyed, and could give more industrial-minded players a bigger goal to work towards.
Odyssey has the same grind loop as Horizon even without Sandro. I think it's a corpo design policy. I refuse to believe that one person ruined ED - it was a collaborate effort.
Elite never was "design by committee".
And even with the transfer poll, Frontier did their own thing. The initial options were instant but very expensive, or take a certain amount of time. In the end we got 'takes time and is expensive'.
Always gotta keep that pipe dream feature that would "bring people back" and "realize the potential of Elite" a moving target so people can keep on complaining forever.
I'm wondering how many of the people crying about the games issues have at least 1,000 hours invested.
You paid 50 bucks.
When's the last time you paid 50 bucks for anything that lasted you 10 hours, let alone 1,000.
There's just no pleasing some people.
You paid 50 bucks.
When's the last time you paid 50 bucks for anything that lasted you 10 hours, let alone 1,000.
There's just no pleasing some people.
Sigh. I DID NOT SAY SHIP INTERIORS SHOULD BE AN UNLOCKABLE. How hard is that to understand?
I said that FURNITURE and DECORATIONS could be unlockable (or at least some of them).
If I may, I think the answer is here:
For me personally, ship interiors were always more about the large ships, which arguably have the space equivalent, if not more, than the current allotted space for fleet carrier interiors. I never personally needed "ship interiors" for an Eagle or Cobra, as the cockpit is the interior (especially in VR where you can actually walk around these cockpits). That's not to say it wouldn't be nice to be able to walk around the cargo area of my Cobra, like I can in the [insert name of small cargo ship in X4 that I forgot], but it really wasn't that big a deal. However, when I'm flying a Type-7 outfitted for exploration in deep space, I'm literally flying an apartment building, so to be strapped in a chair when I am basically flying (and living in) a "mobile base" always seemed lacking to me, to the point where I eventually gave up on large ships and almost exclusively focused on flying small ships, for immersion sake. That and the lack of a crew on a bridge full of empty chairs (not the T7, but rather the other truly large ships)..
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BTW, I'm not just living in imagination land - I've played games with full ship interiors on medium and large ships, and for me it was a game-changer. Exploration is a large focus of my gameplay in games like this, so my ship is my home much of the time. Though ship interiors also offer some exciting gameplay in combat situations as well, especially when coupled with damage control and ship repair gameplay.
Just answering your "question", the implied "Why?"
Wait, weve moved on from jusst wanting interiors? now we want furniture addons? whats next a swiming pool in my Luga
O7
I want an IKEA Kallax for the stream room on my Beluga.
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