Dank strawman you built there.
Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.
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Dank strawman you built there.
No strawman at all.
There are cheats. F.D say they are working on it and punishing players as they can.
The back and forth is almost Monty Pythonesque though.
Not entirely, although of course the community isn't one person. But the people who don't believe FD whenever they say something should stop demanding FD say something.
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I really hope this was NOT prompted by me asking on stream. And regardless of reason this is still very very late and ... doesn't really say anything?
I've stopped playing because of the cheating situation now as well, shortly before I did I had tried to convince unicorn to come back and play for a little bit, for old times sake. But frankly neither of us were really up for it with the prospect of meeting an impossible fight. If the game's got a cheating problem and FD aren't seen to be doing anything beyond a statement that basically just says "we're working on it, go bug someone else" (sorry guys, but that really is what it looks like) then I really hope they're doing something sneaky to catch the whole lot of them, because if not... well, I might just not come back at all. Nothing wrong with advising people to do the same if there's a serious issue like this. Honesty isn't a crime
From what I've seen from Frontier on this subject and others, is their statement of "We are doing something" is little more than a placation. I sincerely suspect when certain player groups test Frontier's supposed stance on cheating again in the future we will be similarly disappointed by their inaction and another placating copypasta boilerplate. Frontier got themselves into this and will have to find a way to regain the community's trust. I suspect they will have to live with some degree of skepticism forever since there will be players like myself that sincerely believe Frontier will never be able to fully regain the trust they have lost by repeatedly making statements such as these when they have either no intention or no capability to back their words with actions, on the principle of "once a liar, always a liar". I do think some people at Frontier genuinely care about this issue, but they are not the people in the positions that matter. My heart really does go out to those people, but the company only reacts to PR nightmares so massive public campaigns like this are really the only way to do things productively from the players' perspective.
Hey Paige Harvey!
Cheaters are not the only problem. Our community is also very disappointed with bots participating in PP and BGS. For instance, almost 20-30 cycles we have been pushed to expanse in unprofitable system BD-10 5238 (100 000 merits each cycle!) Also in BGS we face same bot ships with huge, unhuman amounts of influence as well as huge amount of traffic in the system. Those bot CMDRs have already been seen and been reported to you by another power participants, and nothing have been done so far, unfortunately.
Cheaters are not the only problem. Our community is also very disappointed with bots participating in PP and BGS. For instance, almost 20-30 cycles we have been pushed to expanse in unprofitable system BD-10 5238 (100 000 merits each cycle!) Also in BGS we face same bot ships with huge, unhuman amounts of influence as well as huge amount of traffic in the system. Those bot CMDRs have already been seen and been reported to you by another power participants, and nothing have been done so far, unfortunately.
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Same bot names here 05/2018 https://imperium.news/botters-may-biggest-threat-elite-dangerous-galaxy/
This cheating episode is definitely not why I'm not playing ED anymore, it is however one of the long list of reasons why I have no plans of coming back yet.
Actively recommending against ED isn't my form of doing things, everybody should make up their own mind wether they want to play or buy this game or not.
If people ask me wether they should buy this game then I'll tell them about the many flaws but I will also tell them that you can get an easy two hundred hours of fun out it, which isn't to bad for it's price.
Actively recommending against ED isn't my form of doing things, everybody should make up their own mind wether they want to play or buy this game or not.
If people ask me wether they should buy this game then I'll tell them about the many flaws but I will also tell them that you can get an easy two hundred hours of fun out it, which isn't to bad for it's price.
@Paige Harvey
Hi, may I ask if Cmdr Dr Kai’s ED PROFILER is classed as a not advised to use application ..I along with a large majority of VR users have used it to smooth out the gfx effects whilst in VR , I’m assuming Voice Attack is ok ?
Hi, may I ask if Cmdr Dr Kai’s ED PROFILER is classed as a not advised to use application ..I along with a large majority of VR users have used it to smooth out the gfx effects whilst in VR , I’m assuming Voice Attack is ok ?
Since it has been demonstrated that a large number of different cheat functions can be used without risk of detection by FDev, how can you know that?
“Only a small number of people are using these cheats”... That’s ALL of the griefers in Elite, which are the only people that everyone else is bothered about. Most PVPers worth their salt ain’t using them, so why not do what EVERY OTHER GAMES COMPANY does and BAN THEM?
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well, technically, it's a strawpost.
not even original, quite old. the straw actually stinks a bit.
but am i wrong or is this the first ocurrence in this particular thread? then a strawcookie for you!
They're removing posts? That's not a good thing at all.I'm really not sure based on what rules posts are being silently removed here. Unless any negative report to the topic is already considered 'off-topic' of course. In which case someone's just invented the perfect generator for echo chambers.
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I'm really not sure based on what rules posts are being silently removed here. Unless any negative report to the topic is already considered 'off-topic' of course. In which case someone's just invented the perfect generator for echo chambers.
It ain't a conspiracy to cover up anything. It's just the mods trying to keep this thread focused. If 'negative' replies were being removed this thread would be a lot shorter!
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Frankly, I'd be less concerned.... if that OP Dev Post wasn't a 100% standard Textblock.
That's the type of text block answer you occasionally get from bigger Corporations or maybe low-tier Tech Support - upon receipt you just know it doesn't mean much.
Rest assured.... we don't like it... we're actively working on it... trust us....have faith
Well, that doesn't hold up very well if folks are already openly demonstrating the opposite. Especially since we've heard exactly those generic Text block answers countless times in the past - with identical results.
Not building confidence that is IMHO.
In the MultiPlayer worlds I came from, public naming and transparent punishing were the Alpha and Omega of all anti-cheat measures ever taken.
For all to see, sometimes for public amusement. Fully intentional.
Because those MMO Professionals who ran the show knew it was the only way to recoup the Image and Reputation loss (ongoing cheating being public knowledge and an issue) and at the same time put a very clear warning sign for potential to-be-cheaters what would await them.
Key word here being : full transparency
And that just happens to mean : hang 'em high. In public. "Naming & Shaming" rules do not apply, wrong target audience.
That's the type of text block answer you occasionally get from bigger Corporations or maybe low-tier Tech Support - upon receipt you just know it doesn't mean much.
Rest assured.... we don't like it... we're actively working on it... trust us....have faith
Well, that doesn't hold up very well if folks are already openly demonstrating the opposite. Especially since we've heard exactly those generic Text block answers countless times in the past - with identical results.
Not building confidence that is IMHO.
In the MultiPlayer worlds I came from, public naming and transparent punishing were the Alpha and Omega of all anti-cheat measures ever taken.
For all to see, sometimes for public amusement. Fully intentional.
Because those MMO Professionals who ran the show knew it was the only way to recoup the Image and Reputation loss (ongoing cheating being public knowledge and an issue) and at the same time put a very clear warning sign for potential to-be-cheaters what would await them.
Key word here being : full transparency
And that just happens to mean : hang 'em high. In public. "Naming & Shaming" rules do not apply, wrong target audience.
Couple of points;
Player-Base; Don't blame the Community reps..
Community reps; Removing posts shows an unwillingness to accept your playerbase, and in another way, hide something.
On-Topic;
Nothing will change in the short-term. One hopes, that while cheating/game-modding is to be abhorred, the recent example, highlights to Fdev how serious an issue it is, and they get off their collective bottoms and do something about it.
Player-Base; Don't blame the Community reps..
Community reps; Removing posts shows an unwillingness to accept your playerbase, and in another way, hide something.
On-Topic;
Nothing will change in the short-term. One hopes, that while cheating/game-modding is to be abhorred, the recent example, highlights to Fdev how serious an issue it is, and they get off their collective bottoms and do something about it.
The vast majority of what's left of PvP groups will ban you instantaneously if they find out you're hacking. Don't kid yourself.
See.
This what happens when players have a lack of news & updates the game future
Players have nothing to discuss about so they jump on everything they can.
Don't take me wrong...cheating is a problem but I'm pretty sure that if we would have other things to discuss and hype about this whole thing wouldn't have taken these proportions.
So let's continue to discuss about cheating then
This what happens when players have a lack of news & updates the game future
Players have nothing to discuss about so they jump on everything they can.
Don't take me wrong...cheating is a problem but I'm pretty sure that if we would have other things to discuss and hype about this whole thing wouldn't have taken these proportions.
So let's continue to discuss about cheating then
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