Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.
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Wow, so frontier can do no right.
Wouldn't be a Frontier Forums thread without baseless cheating accusations being thrown around to defame the greatest PvP group to ever play the game.
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Why bother being lenient? Many other MMOs just perma-ban anyone caught cheating and then it's up to account holders to defend their actions, not the other way around.
Only through the threat of instant perma-ban would anyone seriously worry about using cheats with long established accounts, any kind of strike/warning system is too relaxed and only encourages cheaters to test the waters.
Just leaving this here:
In infosec (information security) we roughly divide software & services companies in two main groups:
The ones that say "trust us, your privacy and security is very important to us", but provide no details on what or how.
And there are the ones that provide details: how they do data encryption, what algorithm is being used, how passwords and keys are managed, provide incident response metrics, publish public post-incident reports, etc.
The ones in the second one are the ones you trust. Those in the first almost certainly don't know what they're doing.
In infosec (information security) we roughly divide software & services companies in two main groups:
The ones that say "trust us, your privacy and security is very important to us", but provide no details on what or how.
And there are the ones that provide details: how they do data encryption, what algorithm is being used, how passwords and keys are managed, provide incident response metrics, publish public post-incident reports, etc.
The ones in the second one are the ones you trust. Those in the first almost certainly don't know what they're doing.
Our group was under sustained botting attack for about 5 months or so, second half of last year. Wrecked the work of years. Reported continuously to Frontier Support and got either questions that suggested they didn't understand what we were reporting, silly comments about "professional players" and similar boilerplate as Paige posted at the beginning of this thread.
Once again I am begging you for your cogent technical assessment.
Is it technically challenging to add ship stats to the packets being sent from the player side computer to FDEV during gameplay?
Is it technically challenging to do a comparison of these stats to the range of possible values for a given ship?
Is it technically challenging to autoban players to the dark solo mode whose ship stats fall outside of the range of allowable values?
Is it technically challenging to autogenerate a support ticket for players subject to this autoban?
Forgive my lack of technical expertise here - but how do these third part cheats theoretically work?
Do they modify ship stats, or do they zero out incoming damage effects?
Or is it some other form of coding voodoo unrelated to asset properties?
1. No
2. No
3. No; BUT: any cheat/hack worth its salt will fix up the stats to allowable values before they are being sent to FDev, and only apply the cheat values internally / against peers.
Basically if the code runs in an uncontrolled environment, the environment controls what happens. As an outsider there's very little you can do about it.
That's not to say that there aren't many feasible approaches to do exactly what you suggest in Elite; namely: automatic detection, reporting, and enforcement of certain types of cheating. Although some care must be taken with that last point; false-positives are always a thing.
What kind of lazy sloth can't make credits in this game? You could make money faster than you could do online transactions.
Funny that botters are complaining about botters. We all know how Grom won the Dangerous games and are actually playing. So I am finding quite funny again the usual botter players are complaining about other botters.
Personally, I think it is a good thing you have a test of your own medecine.
This is just the same statement with more words. We want to know that your are punishing people HARSHLY for this, and how many accounts are being banned.
The problem you need to address right now is the climate of everyone you beat in pvp assuming that your are cheating, especially if the skill or equipment gap is huge.
The problem you need to address right now is the climate of everyone you beat in pvp assuming that your are cheating, especially if the skill or equipment gap is huge.
Sadly, some of what's left of PvP groups are already on a witch hunt.
No. It's a permaban from the game. You have a shadowban timeout (solo with no bgs influence) but that is temp. Caught again = exit. The 'protester' got kicked because this wasn't his first time cheating.
man, i will be banned from EG Pilots for this, but i will show this
P.S. we have logs from Cicle 200 with graph, if command allow me to show, i will post it here
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Despite the tough words from PvP groups there has only been one major 'crackdown', back in June 2017. The vast majority of the big PvP groups were all caught cheating.
Lol, please open your eyes. We have people who actually carres about PP and spending their time in it, not bots. And alsow we have logs of enemy botts doing same actions with same behaivior. Thats the difference... I wish FD will do something, all names are known.
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Can't argue with that, lol. although I have to say I'm not worried about 'cheats' in some games. Exploiters for mat gathering, for example, is far less heinous and is obviously also happening in EThat always happens in MP gaming.
. I know it's poor form to select your evils and tackle only those, but I feel the in E the gathering system is so bad that I have no issue with people getting ahead of me by using logging exploits, I really don't. As long as they can't have 4 pips to everything. - Status