Check the WoI "Crime and Punishment" section.
This is taken into account now unter the changes they made.
Another forum user did a simple write up of it;
It's not a perfect system, but it is a step in the right direction.
Modes Accidentally logged into Open last night.
Check the WoI "Crime and Punishment" section.
This is taken into account now unter the changes they made.
Another forum user did a simple write up of it;
It's not a perfect system, but it is a step in the right direction.
It's still minus insurance adjustment. Again, why should an insurance company be forced to pay out for the use of a vessel committing known criminal activity?
Step in the right direction.... perhaps. Still not "balanced" in terms of "risk", however.
I've always liked the idea of a pimped out cutter whilst being Mostly Harmless*...
Why? Because I can... and I'd like to be able to bask like a pro as I putter around the galaxy... I might really offend some players and not put weapons on it
* Iit was Harmless, but that damned navy makes me shoot stuff to get rank!
Yeah, kinda funny, while I realise all the ramraders (with a brain) in today's society use a stolen car I can't imagine in even the wildest case an insurance claim being settled in favour of a ramrader using his own vehicle...
"and the damage to the shopfront... well being as I got caught can I claim that on my car insurance too?"
The weirdest thing is though that you pay your insurance AFTER the crash...
"here's a brand new vehicle with all the bells and whistles for just 5% of value sir... instantly"
I've always liked the idea of a pimped out cutter whilst being Mostly Harmless*...
Why? Because I can... and I'd like to be able to bask like a pro as I putter around the galaxy... I might really offend some players and not put weapons on it
* Iit was Harmless, but that damned navy makes me shoot stuff to get rank!
If you keep resetting the mission board when it's time to rank up, you can get other types of missions show.
I tended to do delivery missions for my rank as I was normally in my hauler when they showed up.
^ Someone's thinking with their brain.
Sure a lot of "handwavium" can be explained away because video game... but there's quite a bit of "suspension of disbelief" involved in certain factors of this game.
So much that it becomes simply unbelievable... and therefore completely illogical.
If that's what people are willing to accept as "truth" or "logic" then all else is simply fantastical and fantasy. We may as well dismiss all arguments and throw them out the window and simply accept that Frontier decides what's possible and what's not. We're all merely riders on this train.
^ Someone's thinking with their brain.
Sure a lot of "handwavium" can be explained away because video game... but there's quite a bit of "suspension of disbelief" involved in certain factors of this game.
So much that it becomes simply unbelievable... and therefore completely illogical.
If that's what people are willing to accept as "truth" or "logic" then all else is simply fantastical and fantasy. We may as well dismiss all arguments and throw them out the window and simply accept that Frontier decides what's possible and what's not. We're all merely riders on this train.
Many though have gone beyond the Acceptance and on to Expectation.
Just imagine if the offending player with a thoroughly pimped Cutter had to wait for the new one to arrive and then for all the engineered parts to be flown in from wherever and was charged the full cost of replacement of both ships... while the victim had her/his ship replaced immediately, how many times would you see the 'bully' at work trying to get a big bounty on his head in his precious godship... that'd be funny, a dose of reality could solve many a problem and make Open a more attractive proposition for the more.... reserved player, not me though cos I'm happy in PG
Open has had their say. Destroy starter ships, put them back in a sidey and starter money, then wonder why they don't come back to open when open has nothing to offer game wise over solo or pg in the elite galaxy. Amazing how that works. Want to be a target when you least expect it? play open. Want to play the game without that, solo and pg are yours to play.
From what I can gather, this is typical behavior in other MMOs as well. Not very intelligent, but typical.
I am reaching nowhere, I'm stating facts. As I've said before.. NPCs don't bother me, but even in a video game... a person behind even a pixelated machine really screws me up. EVE, World of Warships/Tanks, War thunder... I've tried them all hoping I could play and I could PVP... nope in the end each cause severe issues. Heck in War Thunder I never went after anyone, I bombed NPC bases and let NPC gunners go for the other players... even that didn't work. You ever have nightmares about people screaming in terror while trapped in a burning plane as it plummets down to the earth. It is not fun.
And I'm not the only veteran where something like that has happened. So we shy away from PVP games or the PVP parts of games, even though we support others PVPing and having fun that way, people like you insinuate that we are cowards and other horse crap. Even now you are the one who keeps insinuating things, heck your third line...
"Definitely not fair to the people that really have those problems." Really? to the people who "really" have those problems? Now you are even insinuating that I am am liar... Were you the one who forced through my medical retirement even though I fought to stay in and serve longer? Did you become my bloody Primary Care and Mental Health Doctors at the VA also? I am sure you would enjoy the myriad of medications taken daily? Here's one for you...
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/760070
I can only take that 5mg dose because Prazosin HCL is mainly used for blood pressure and they don't want mine to drop too low as my pressure while on 10 MG worried them. And I do suffer from some of the side effects... mainly the transient lethargy, dry mouth, morning sedation, and yup very occasionally the urinary incontinence. Yea for being 45 and having to watch how much water I drink at night so I won't possibly have an accident. That is just one of the medications I have to take nightly. You don't want my nights when I don't take it... So again, are you going to stick your feet in your mouth further and try more insinuations and insults? Claim I am not "real" and just making crap up? All in an effort to prove yourself right? You want unfair and desperate justification.... look in a bloody mirror.
Ignore 90s, he's on an open only crusade and nothing you say or do will deter him...
Ok, here's where I am happy to show my ignorance in BGS matters.
How can you tell this explorer is in a BGS war against your faction?
Unless they advertise it in chat, he'd not be able to tell what that ship is doing apart from flying in a system.
They could have sold the data already, so killing them wouldn't do a thing.
They might not have gotten any data yet, so killing them does nothing.
They could be a new player who is lost or looking for help, so killing them does nothing other than annoy them right into Solo / Mobius.
So unless they actually say they are actively selling data to mess with the BGS - he has no clue.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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When BGS wars happen, especially in a place like colonia. You know who is fighting for what. its all player factions out there. You see the people on the bounty boards but can never stop them. The BGS flips happen in phases. During the election phase people usually run data by exploring and dropping off exploration transactions one at a time.
Generally its the same group of people involved every time. Most of them may tag their ships. This will be important when squadrons is released.
So if I ever seen one of them people, you kill that explorer. And they cant data bomb during that phase of the BGS war.
Hey what do you know, meaningful PVP.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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No jockey, again. For a guy that brags about not being part of these things. You sure like to speak up about things you have no clue on.
Id really like it if you learned the game. Instead of living here on these forums fighting against changes that have nothing to do with you.
I still fail to understand why you're even here. 0 contribution, 0 experience. And it shows.
report button is to the left.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Never called you a liar.
I am saying you're reaching pretty far here. And using it as an excuse for this stuff not to go through when NPC's and Aliens do the same thing.
I feel for you and what youve been through. But as far as things not happening in a video game, or game balancing for player interaction. Which it is players interacting. Then dont get involved with players interacting and PVPing. Go do other things that has nothing to do with a players objectives or powerplay.
Really not that hard to stay away from it.
I dont see why you feel you get to use that as an excuse.
To make me feel bad? Please. You're not the only one with problems friend. Everyone has a problem.
And that shouldnt stop a game company from balancing the game.
Ok, I am breaking this down....
Oh really? That is strange.. because you say it plain as day without saying the actual word.
So what I said wasn't fair to others... you know, the people that "really" have those problems, not me who obviously was a liar and doesn't really have the issues I described.
Again... to you it is not an actual mental issue that I can't disassociate the people behind the keyboard from the pixilated ships/tanks/planes/cars etc they are controlling. Nor that therapists and doctors have worked with me and discussed... to you it is an "EXCUSE"... aka a lie... so right there again you ARE flat out calling me a liar. And I am sorry, the only difference in an excuse and a lie is the fancy window dressing.
Apparently you can't even remember what YOU write.... you know.. on the post when you tried to get philosophical and claim "Life is about failing"...
You don't want me to stay away from it, you blatantly tell me to embrace PVP and "Learn to work around it, build for it and learn to survive." And now telling me to not get involved with players interacting and PVP... and to not Power Play. Which I find really interesting, because guess what doesn't NEED PVP... Power Play. I can play all day long, interact with other players WITHOUT PVP and even have fun with Power Play. YOU are the one who is trying to destroy the game for me and others by deciding that certain things in the game, like Power Play, should belong to YOUR way of play only. News Flash... It don't.
Power Play, The Background Simulation.. neither belong to you and those who play your way. Crow Open Only as much as you like, go read how many people on the forums couldn't even comprehend Sandro's thread and be happy as you count how many of them demanded Open Only or that the BGS be in Open only as well, believe to yourself that they "represent the majority of the actual ED community, predict like a prophet from on high that the game is going to drastically change and be YOUR game because that is the only way it will somehow survive. And it is ALL..... CRAP.
I can't tell if I am amazed or dumbfounded... You don't see why I feel I "get" to use that for an excuse. So because I have a legitimate reason NOT to PVP... 1.) again you are calling me a liar by claiming it is an "excuse", and 2.) you show how little you really "feel" for the issues others are having and really care that your play style trumps all others.. you know the "I feel for you and what youve been through." comment you made originally. You say you"Feel" for me but since you want me as your content it is an excuse why I don't PVP. I don't want your platitude, I want you to play your way and let the rest of us play ours and leave the game alone. Quite trying to change it to what you believe would be your PVP utopia.
I really could care less how you feel. My replies to you have not been to "make you feel bad" but to explain some things to you. Which you still don't seem to understand. You are the one who opened this can of worms of a discussion and went down this route and insinuating I and others are "cowards" for somehow letting our "fears" of PVP control us... all in some attempt to justify why your playstyle is the one that should decide things in the game. [/QUOTE]
Funny, the issues I have don't stop Fdev from balancing the game nor have I ever claimed they would. You on the other hand don't seem to want balance in the game. Open Only, Power play in Open Only, or even BGS in Open Only... Neither of these options would balance the game.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Do the work. Learn.
And yes, putting people where you want them to be so the game works will balance the game.
Listen this is really easy to understand.
Frontier has given all the tools in the game to stop griefing. In doing so they also removed any meaningful engagements in elite. The people that are supposed to be fighting each other arent fighting each other because no one is going to put themselves out there to be stopped. Especially after they get blown up or bested.
Since those options are in place.
Who does that leave in open? The people that arent involved in that stuff. Thats why griefing in promentient in this game. Is because the people that arent fighting over objectives is generally all thats left.
Thats not fair to the people getting griefed or the people fighting over objectives where PVP is supposed to mean something.
So this has nothing to do with you at all or your personal life.
Making changes like that and balancing the game, putting people where you want them to be would be a very healthy move for the game and the community.
Ive said this a lot, when people understand what they are getting into over objectives. Then PVP will mean something besides griefing.
Question is, are people willing to give up their advantage of taking player group and powerplay objectives in solo and private for a better game and community?
And yes, putting people where you want them to be so the game works will balance the game.
Listen this is really easy to understand.
Frontier has given all the tools in the game to stop griefing. In doing so they also removed any meaningful engagements in elite. The people that are supposed to be fighting each other arent fighting each other because no one is going to put themselves out there to be stopped. Especially after they get blown up or bested.
Since those options are in place.
Who does that leave in open? The people that arent involved in that stuff. Thats why griefing in promentient in this game. Is because the people that arent fighting over objectives is generally all thats left.
Thats not fair to the people getting griefed or the people fighting over objectives where PVP is supposed to mean something.
So this has nothing to do with you at all or your personal life.
Making changes like that and balancing the game, putting people where you want them to be would be a very healthy move for the game and the community.
Ive said this a lot, when people understand what they are getting into over objectives. Then PVP will mean something besides griefing.
Question is, are people willing to give up their advantage of taking player group and powerplay objectives in solo and private for a better game and community?
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You have no idea what someone is doing in a system unless they tell you directly.
Trying to pretend you have some sort of ESP to excuse your griefing doesn't work.
Neither does making constant accusations against me, so wind your neck in as you don't look smart, you just look like the troll you are.
When someone enters a system, you have no clue what they are doing, if they have data on them, if they have missions on them - you are clueless.
So trying to use RP as a justification for blowing up random people is pathetic. You're not RP'ing, your an online bully - nothing more.
Fdev did this, they told people they could play their way and gave them options to do so. That doesn't unbalance the game.
Horse hokey, people are not "supposed" to be fighting each other... they are given the option to but there is no supposed in there at all. And Fdev has given all the tools in the game so that people can enjoy the game and play their way. They haven't removed any meaningful engagements in elite. They gave you the options to make your own, but it has steadfastly been refused and demands made that Fdev themselves give the engagements by stripping abilities away from one group to give only to another.
What is left in Open? The same that is left in PGs and Solo... if people are not involved in stuff then it isn't the fault of the game... look to those who made it so people didn't want to be involved in it. And no that is not why griefing is so "prominent" in the game..and you are going to have to choose one or the other... is it or isn't it because you can't say it isn't and that people need to come to open. Or claim that it is and that it needs to be dealt with, in the S.O.G. threads and here it seems the Open Only crowd can't decide which it is.
As for the people aren't fighting over objectives like you want... they don't have to, it isn't a requirement of the game... and if some did but finally gave up, why did they? You and a small core of others want to point the finger to Solo and PG's yet ignore that people complained about the behavior of others and they didn't want to play with people like that. But that doesn't "sell" what you want sold, so you look elsewhere.
Then you need to police open and get rid of the griefers and organize objectives and such. Or here is a radical idea that I know has been mentioned more than once. Make a PVP PG and organize your objectives, battles, etc. Have your wars.
I'm glad, maybe next time you will think about that and what you are going to type before opening that can of worms with someone else.
*cough* yea it is called the Mode system
And you are still looking at this the wrong way. Now I do agree with you that objectives may cut down on the griefing. But again you are trying to get Fdev to rearrange the game to suit your playstyle and to give you objectives instead of making your own while stripping gameplay from others just because they don't play in the same mode or way that you do. That is not balance in any sense of the word.
The real question is instead of pretending other modes are an "advantage", deal with the issues in open like your "prominent" griefing. Thinking that restricting something to Open Only is magically going to fix an issue isn't going to happen. If the problem that made people "abandon" Open in the first place for this "advantage" you think they have still exists, do you really think that they will just suddenly decide to subject themselves to it again to power play, or do you think they will just decide that Power play isn't worth it and suddenly barely anyone plays it at all. Then where is your PVP, your objectives that you expected Fdev to manifest for you?
And something to think about.... Say Sandros actually spoke the truth and that more people play in Open then in PG or Solo... Are you claiming that PG's and Solo are in some dastardly alliance to find out where in Open PP is being done and going to mess it all up? Oh I am sure that there are small groups in all three modes who work together towards something.. but alliances against mode itself?
People in all three modes playing the way they want for the powers they want, and somehow only one mode thinks it is unfair that everyone gets to play because they made the choice to play in that mode and everyone who wants to play PP should have to play their way too?
The phrase that to me fits best here to sum up is this.
"They made the bed, now you get to lay in it."
Don't lay the blame at Fdev's feet, PVEr's feet, Solo's, PG's, Open or even most PVPers feet. Look to those who wanted to use PVP for something else... Just like the "newb" PKers in Ultima Online caused issues which lead to the creation of Trammel off of the original world (renamed Felucca) and the whole uproar by those same PKers because suddenly they no longer had a bunch of soft targets to kill... If you are claiming that has happened to ED then don't blame the company or the game... look to those who decided to take the freedom Fdev gave all of us and trash it for others.
All you are trying to do is rail for Open Only under the guise of "balance"